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I'm replying to you since you have the longest reply (and it's thought out too). The regressive left is the SJW that tells the Norwegians they can't use their o

I'm replying to you since you have the longest reply (and it's thought out too). The regressive left is the SJW that tells the Norwegians they can't use their own letters because Nazi decided to co-op their culture back in the day [1]. You have individuals like Gazi [2] running around saying that white people need to pay reparations even though most white people in the country descend from immigrants that arrived after the civil war therefore they never owned slaves. We've gotten to the point that some on the regressive left don't think that it's even possible for a white man to empathize or even understand the language used to describe their situations. If enough feel like communication has broken down to this level, they have and will call for war. My problem is that people that say, "check your privilege" use it to shut down dialogue. We're getting into identity politics. This never, ever ends well for anyone. I'm all for compassion. I'm not for the hypocrisy of using race and guilt as cudgels against supposed political enemies. I'm not for college campuses insulating themselves with their own group think to the point that it's an arrest-able offense to hand out the Constitution, the very document that defines that we are all equal in the sight of the law, to students on Constitution Day by a student of the college [3]. I absolutely abhor the continued press for ignorance about the very historical facts at hand in which the white man, and only the white man, was to blame or profited from slavery [4]. 1 - https://sputniknews.com/europe/201801311061237928-norway-nazi-attacking-viking/ https://sputniknews.com/europe/201801311061237928-norway-naz... 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tanz1IxVpVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tanz1IxVpVA 3 - http://reason.com/blog/2017/01/21/students-arrested-constitutions-michigan http://reason.com/blog/2017/01/21/students-arrested-constitu... 4 - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ppzevg/hey-v12n5 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ppzevg/hey-v12n5

geofft 9y ago
> The regressive left is the SJW that tells the Norwegians they can't use their own letters because Nazi decided to co-op their culture back in the day [1]. Ehhhh. I'm of Indian descent, and I am perfectly comfortable with the modern inability to use the swastika in international contexts, where you don't have a culture where people expect the pre-Nazi meaning of the swastika. "They banned an up-arrow" just ... doesn't seem like something worth getting upset about? Presumably if the logo accidentally looked like a penis, they'd change that too, but that's hardly a sign of identity politics or anything. > You have individuals like Gazi [2] running around saying that white people need to pay reparations even though most white people in the country descend from immigrants that arrived after the civil war therefore they never owned slaves. I have no idea who this person is, or how genuine they are. Every political viewpoint has extremists and trolls and uninformed folks (I don't know if this person fits in one of these categories, but I certainly don't know that they don't), and many of those people are on YouTube. A much better case for reparations, which includes arguments about why white people who arrived in the US after slavery still benefited unfairly from organized oppression of black people, can be found in, say, Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The Case for Reparations:" https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-cas... > it's an arrest-able offense to hand out the Constitution, the very document that defines that we are all equal in the sight of the law, to students on Constitution Day by a student of the college [3] As far as I can tell from the reporting, these students were protesting a "free speech zone" policy on campus, right? I'm certainly not about to endorse "free speech zones," but it seems pretty clear that the motivation for the arrest was not that they were handing out Constitutions, they simply chose to hand out Constitutions because they knew they'd get favorable news headlines like this. > I absolutely abhor the continued press for ignorance about the very historical facts at hand in which the white man, and only the white man, was to blame or profited from slavery [4]. The fact that your source is from VICE, which is regularly accused (possibly correctly!) of being left-biased, doesn't do much to convince me that these facts are being hidden on the left. Certainly I've never heard anyone on the left make a reasoned argument that only white men were to blame or ever profited from any slavery in history.
- virmundi 9y ago
  I'm from America where I take freedom of expression seriously. People have the right to publicly attack whomever they want. They are free to get made at the Norwegians. My concern is that increasingly within the US, especially our higher education institutions, it's becoming acceptable to use violence as a response to something you don't like [1]. It's becoming common to ban people you don't like from a public forum at a college. Gazi is an example of a loud person on YouTube. I picked him because he is so out there. He's a caricature of the problem. There are many people in the US right now that blame everything on whites. They go so far as to push the idea that only whites can be racist. We see this in comments made by BLM. Various celebrities hint at it. The student was arguing against free speech zones. They are illegal in the United States [2]. Again we see people associated with "check your privilege" using it to abuse people of their rights. I don't want this disenfranchisement to continue. I picked Vice specifically because that article is a voice crying out in the wilderness. They push [3] for racial tensions [4]. 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNz2jGzsDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNz2jGzsDA 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQGF1UuPRPg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQGF1UuPRPg 3 - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kwzjvz/dear-white-people-please-stop-pretending-reverse-racism-is-real https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kwzjvz/dear-white-people-... 4 - https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/j5ga5x/hoop-earrings-are-my-culture-not-your-trend https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/j5ga5x/hoop-earrings-are-...
  - danso 9y ago
    > it's becoming acceptable to use violence as a response to something you don't like And your evidence for that is...a Youtube video? Do you have statistics? I work at a university and have had to take training required of mandatory reporters. I have not seen a single sign or policy change from the higher-ups that would indicate that violence (either by me or what I witness with students) is to be more tolerated. > The student was arguing against free speech zones. They are illegal [2] in the United States The video in [2] features someone a director of an advocacy group giving a lecture about "Ridiculous Cases of Prohibited Speech on University". And he [the advocate] does not say that free speech zones are illegal, he says that he believes that they are unconstitutional and that he has petitioned the school to stop the practice of free speech zones. I also believe that free speech zones are bad. But what I and that advocate believe isn't law, and the fact that you can't tell the difference about something so basic really limits the credibility of your other non-evidence backed assertions. Why are you citing people who you yourself characterize as "an example of a loud person on YouTube" and a "caricature"? Are you honestly letting people who you admit are obviously trolls guide your perspective* and inspire such vague, wishy-washy-worded assertions like "There are many people in the US right now that blame everything on whites"?
danso 9y ago
> The regressive left is the SJW that tells the Norwegians they can't use their own letters because Nazi decided to co-op their culture back in the day [1]. How closely did you read that article by Sputnik News? Because I didn't see any mention of "SJW" or the "left". All I read were statements that people were worried the team would be wrongly seen as far-right because one of the symbols on their team sweaters is the same symbol that a neo-Nazi group uses. This is what it says at the end of the story: > The decision to dump the design has reportedly induced especially strong criticism among neo-pagans, Viking reenactors and fans of the national ski team for "giving up" the collective ownership of ancestral symbols to a tiny, unrepresentative minority. So tell me, which of those groups are part of the "regressive left" that you claim are telling "the Norwegians they can't use their own letters"? I guess it would be overkill for me to point out that that graf actually says the exact opposite of what you claim, which is that the "strong criticism" is coming from groups who are mad that the Norwegian team ISN'T using the symbol.
zimpenfish 9y ago
> the SJW that tells the Norwegians they can't use their own letters because Nazi decided to co-op their culture back in the day No-one has said they can't use their own letters - they've said "maybe you want to think about using a symbol that was associated with the Third Reich and is currently in use by Nazis in Norway" and that's exactly what people are doing.

geofft 9y ago

> The regressive left is the SJW that tells the Norwegians they can't use their own letters because Nazi decided to co-op their culture back in the day [1]. Ehhhh. I'm of Indian descent, and I am perfectly comfortable with the modern inability to use the swastika in international contexts, where you don't have a culture where people expect the pre-Nazi meaning of the swastika. "They banned an up-arrow" just ... doesn't seem like something worth getting upset about? Presumably if the logo accidentally looked like a penis, they'd change that too, but that's hardly a sign of identity politics or anything. > You have individuals like Gazi [2] running around saying that white people need to pay reparations even though most white people in the country descend from immigrants that arrived after the civil war therefore they never owned slaves. I have no idea who this person is, or how genuine they are. Every political viewpoint has extremists and trolls and uninformed folks (I don't know if this person fits in one of these categories, but I certainly don't know that they don't), and many of those people are on YouTube. A much better case for reparations, which includes arguments about why white people who arrived in the US after slavery still benefited unfairly from organized oppression of black people, can be found in, say, Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The Case for Reparations:" https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-cas... > it's an arrest-able offense to hand out the Constitution, the very document that defines that we are all equal in the sight of the law, to students on Constitution Day by a student of the college [3] As far as I can tell from the reporting, these students were protesting a "free speech zone" policy on campus, right? I'm certainly not about to endorse "free speech zones," but it seems pretty clear that the motivation for the arrest was not that they were handing out Constitutions, they simply chose to hand out Constitutions because they knew they'd get favorable news headlines like this. > I absolutely abhor the continued press for ignorance about the very historical facts at hand in which the white man, and only the white man, was to blame or profited from slavery [4]. The fact that your source is from VICE, which is regularly accused (possibly correctly!) of being left-biased, doesn't do much to convince me that these facts are being hidden on the left. Certainly I've never heard anyone on the left make a reasoned argument that only white men were to blame or ever profited from any slavery in history.

virmundi 9y ago
I'm from America where I take freedom of expression seriously. People have the right to publicly attack whomever they want. They are free to get made at the Norwegians. My concern is that increasingly within the US, especially our higher education institutions, it's becoming acceptable to use violence as a response to something you don't like [1]. It's becoming common to ban people you don't like from a public forum at a college. Gazi is an example of a loud person on YouTube. I picked him because he is so out there. He's a caricature of the problem. There are many people in the US right now that blame everything on whites. They go so far as to push the idea that only whites can be racist. We see this in comments made by BLM. Various celebrities hint at it. The student was arguing against free speech zones. They are illegal in the United States [2]. Again we see people associated with "check your privilege" using it to abuse people of their rights. I don't want this disenfranchisement to continue. I picked Vice specifically because that article is a voice crying out in the wilderness. They push [3] for racial tensions [4]. 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNz2jGzsDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNz2jGzsDA 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQGF1UuPRPg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQGF1UuPRPg 3 - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kwzjvz/dear-white-people-please-stop-pretending-reverse-racism-is-real https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kwzjvz/dear-white-people-... 4 - https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/j5ga5x/hoop-earrings-are-my-culture-not-your-trend https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/j5ga5x/hoop-earrings-are-...
- danso 9y ago
  > it's becoming acceptable to use violence as a response to something you don't like And your evidence for that is...a Youtube video? Do you have statistics? I work at a university and have had to take training required of mandatory reporters. I have not seen a single sign or policy change from the higher-ups that would indicate that violence (either by me or what I witness with students) is to be more tolerated. > The student was arguing against free speech zones. They are illegal [2] in the United States The video in [2] features someone a director of an advocacy group giving a lecture about "Ridiculous Cases of Prohibited Speech on University". And he [the advocate] does not say that free speech zones are illegal, he says that he believes that they are unconstitutional and that he has petitioned the school to stop the practice of free speech zones. I also believe that free speech zones are bad. But what I and that advocate believe isn't law, and the fact that you can't tell the difference about something so basic really limits the credibility of your other non-evidence backed assertions. Why are you citing people who you yourself characterize as "an example of a loud person on YouTube" and a "caricature"? Are you honestly letting people who you admit are obviously trolls guide your perspective* and inspire such vague, wishy-washy-worded assertions like "There are many people in the US right now that blame everything on whites"?

danso 9y ago

> The regressive left is the SJW that tells the Norwegians they can't use their own letters because Nazi decided to co-op their culture back in the day [1]. How closely did you read that article by Sputnik News? Because I didn't see any mention of "SJW" or the "left". All I read were statements that people were worried the team would be wrongly seen as far-right because one of the symbols on their team sweaters is the same symbol that a neo-Nazi group uses. This is what it says at the end of the story: > The decision to dump the design has reportedly induced especially strong criticism among neo-pagans, Viking reenactors and fans of the national ski team for "giving up" the collective ownership of ancestral symbols to a tiny, unrepresentative minority. So tell me, which of those groups are part of the "regressive left" that you claim are telling "the Norwegians they can't use their own letters"? I guess it would be overkill for me to point out that that graf actually says the exact opposite of what you claim, which is that the "strong criticism" is coming from groups who are mad that the Norwegian team ISN'T using the symbol.

zimpenfish 9y ago

> the SJW that tells the Norwegians they can't use their own letters because Nazi decided to co-op their culture back in the day No-one has said they can't use their own letters - they've said "maybe you want to think about using a symbol that was associated with the Third Reich and is currently in use by Nazis in Norway" and that's exactly what people are doing.