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Before I begin, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your money. But when I see questions like this, I often think that there may be some inexperience wit
by mikekchar 9y ago
Before I begin, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your money. But when I see questions like this, I often think that there may be some inexperience with investing. So here's how I look at investments. This is not advice -- you do what you want.
If I'm investing in a company, the first thing I do is read the quarterly and year end reports. I take a look at how the money is being used. I look for things that might be fishy. You need to be careful, even with blue chip stocks -- often the numbers don't add up. I look at how well the company is executing. What kind of margin are they getting? How are they using that money? If for growth, then what are the investing in and how well is it paying off? If for profit, how much profit are they making and what are they doing with the profits? That kind of thing. I look at the products they make. I read reviews. I look at the competition. After I've done all that, I decide how fairly the company is valued. Often they are over valued. Sometimes they have about the right value. Rarely they are undervalued. I try to buy the latter stocks and hold them for a long time.
Just because of how I do my job (I am a internationally remote contractor), I am forced to speculate on currency. Note the subtle change in vocabulary. I am not investing in currency. I don't expect a rate of return over time on currency. Instead, I look at geo-political situations and I guess how it might affect the price of a currency against another currency. At the moment, I live off the Japanese yen (I'm in Japan), but I get paid in Great British pounds. I need to have some insurance that my revenue stream is relatively constant, so when GBP is very low (it was down to just over 120 JPY last year!) I try to hold it. When it is very high, I try to sell it. Sometimes it makes sense for me to even buy it when it is low. When I am looking at this, I look at both the British and Japanese economic policies. I look at elections that might change that policy. I look at the (complete lack of) progress wrt Brexit, etc, etc. But this is not an investment. My goal is to hedge against the changes as much as I can, because otherwise sometimes I'm working for 60% of the wage that I normally make (and it's hard to ask your clients to double their payments just because something like Brexit happens).
Now, let's look at Bitcoin. What economic factors influence Bitcoin? It would be tempting to say "none", but this is not strictly true. First, we have to look at the likelihood that bitcoin will become viable as a general currency. It's pretty unlikely, but the chance is not actually 0 (Much to my surprise, I can actually buy things with Bitcoin from mainstream shops in Japan -- even a local pizza restaurant takes them). However, it's clear that changes to the protocol need to happen for it to scale. To understand the implications, you have to understand the chances for various proposals to succeed (both technically and politically).
When you look at trading currencies, often you look at indicators like interest rates because the change of interest rates encourages (and sometimes outright forces) trading of the currency. With bitcoin there are precious few outside influences like that. There are things like "tethers", but since they are a complete scam you have to figure out what it's likely to do to the price (will it force people to buy BTC, or will it tank the price).
Having said all that, I hope you can see a kind of gradation in the "investment" type. When I buy stock, I can reason about the performance of the company by looking at their past performance, their execution, their product, the oppositions performance, etc. When I engage in FOREX (which I try to avoid, but alas am unable to), I am stuck with the politics and economic policies. I have to kind of guess what countries are going to do and how that will result in changes to the price. I try my best to stick to hedging strategies, because otherwise you might as well be laying bets at the bookie wrt economic policy. With Bitcoin, it's just gambling. The price swings are generally due to hype, scams, and bad actors -- with only a little bit related to potential viability. And I would say the the long term viability of BTC as a whole is pretty long odds (remember, this is not advice -- decide for yourself).
So if you want to gamble, then gamble. I'm not going to stop you. But I don't think you will get any useful advice on "investment" in Bitcoin. It's just not that kind of vehicle.
- mikestew 9y agoWhen I engage in FOREX (which I try to avoid, but alas am unable to), I am stuck with the politics and economic policies. I have to kind of guess what countries are going to do and how that will result in changes to the price. I try my best to stick to hedging strategies, because otherwise you might as well be laying bets at the bookie wrt economic policy. With Bitcoin, it's just gambling. That pretty much sums up why I've stayed away thus far. I've done well with equities over the years, but FOREX kicked my ass (a lesson I could thankfully afford). As you point out, there's at least some semblance of sense in FOREX, which I obviously have yet to grock. I don't even play games in Vegas unless I can figure out the odds ("how are you going to fuck me?"), and I fully cop to that as gambling. Cryptocurrencies, phhhht, I haven't the first clue as to what drives the price, or how I'm going to get taken. To me, it's even worse than gambling, because though I might know the odds at the craps table, try as I might I can't get a grasp on the drivers of cryptocurrencies other than hype.
- Myrmornis 9y agoWith all the respect consistent with the sentiment I’m expressing, I suspect you wildly overestimate your ability to improve your predictions about company performance by reading about the company.