Curious why swarm isn't in that list. How many services / nodes are you managing? I found the docker swarm learning curve to be very sharp but plateaued super

Curious why swarm isn't in that list. How many services / nodes are you managing? I found the docker swarm learning curve to be very sharp but plateaued super quick, maybe a month of reading docs and bug reports then I was up to speed and don't really run into day to day issues. Once your prod is setup and you've worked out all the hard decisions around stack and how to do things, getting Devs up to speed is really easy because all they need to know is how to read the docker compose reference. Even less of any issue learning everything now too because they redesigned their documentation (wording etc as well) and it's much clearer, gotchas are explained etc.