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This isn't a problem with cops, or blacks, or whites, or anything like that. This is a problem with the USA. In some countries the entire police force of the co

by nukeop 9y ago

This isn't a problem with cops, or blacks, or whites, or anything like that. This is a problem with the USA. In some countries the entire police force of the country combined uses fewer bullets per year than the average police officer in the States. The homicide rates can be 40 times smaller in European countries than there. There's just something fundamentally wrong with that country and it would be a mistake to attribute it to something simple like race relations.

mikepurvis 9y ago
It's insane seeing videos of routine traffic stops in the US where both officers leap from their vehicle with guns drawn, ready to escalate the situation at the slightest provocation. Future, more civilized, societies will one day study the ruins of America with bafflement. Like, what were they thinking? Was this what liberty was to them?
- coolso 9y ago
  > It's insane seeing videos of routine traffic stops in the US where both officers leap from their vehicle with guns drawn, ready to escalate the situation at the slightest provocation. Routine traffic stops, or felony traffic stops? I've never heard of that happening for the former, although there may be a few examples out there, but it's far from the norm. But that is indeed normal for a felony traffic stop, like when pulling over a stolen car, or after chasing a suspect from the scene of a crime, or if the car waited a really long time to pull over, or if an outstanding warrant was found when they ran the plates.
  - nukeop 9y ago
    In civilized countries the cops do not expect everyone to carry a loaded firearm.
mclightning 9y ago
1 - In most european countries, you are not allowed to carry weapons. 2 - European countries are very small in population in comparison to US.
- nukeop 9y ago
  That is the point. It looks like outlawing firearms tends to reduce overall gun-related fatalities. Who knew? Apparently USA has some catching up to do.
  - bluesroo 9y ago
    It's impossible to understate how much your comment has oversimplified the gun debate in the US. However, let's assume that the government has ideologically came to the same conclusion you've made and drafted a new constitutional amendment which outlawed gun ownership. There are incredible practical issues with actually enforcing it. How do you expect to collect 300 million firearms[1]? What do you do with 300M firearms once you have them? There are also high rate of illegal (and therefor untracked) gun ownership in gang controlled areas. How do you expect people to feel about being disarmed when they live in an area surrounded by violent, illegal gun owners who haven't been disarmed? What about the people who are gun collectors? Who may have spent their entire lives tracking down and collecting antique guns? Who's personal wealth may be largely in gun assets? Does the government pay them for each gun? Who the hell is going to trust the government to set a fair price for these guns? How much would it cost to buy 300 million gun and all of the related accessories and ammunition? I'm barely scratching the surface here and this is assuming that Congress has already passed a constitutional amendment! Banning guns in the United States will never happen, because before any of these practical implications become relevant a new amendment needs to be passed in order to override what our founding fathers and a lot of the country see as the second most important amendment. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_c...
    - nukeop 9y ago
      The second most important amendment that is responsible for thousands of deaths each year. Sure, the ban will never happen, that's why the USA will just have to deal with an enormous toll of completely avoidable deaths because of theoretical technical difficulties of outlawing such outdated and dangerous concept as civilian firearm ownership.

by nukeop 9y ago

mikepurvis 9y ago

It's insane seeing videos of routine traffic stops in the US where both officers leap from their vehicle with guns drawn, ready to escalate the situation at the slightest provocation. Future, more civilized, societies will one day study the ruins of America with bafflement. Like, what were they thinking? Was this what liberty was to them?

coolso 9y ago
> It's insane seeing videos of routine traffic stops in the US where both officers leap from their vehicle with guns drawn, ready to escalate the situation at the slightest provocation. Routine traffic stops, or felony traffic stops? I've never heard of that happening for the former, although there may be a few examples out there, but it's far from the norm. But that is indeed normal for a felony traffic stop, like when pulling over a stolen car, or after chasing a suspect from the scene of a crime, or if the car waited a really long time to pull over, or if an outstanding warrant was found when they ran the plates.
- nukeop 9y ago
  In civilized countries the cops do not expect everyone to carry a loaded firearm.

mclightning 9y ago

1 - In most european countries, you are not allowed to carry weapons. 2 - European countries are very small in population in comparison to US.

nukeop 9y ago
That is the point. It looks like outlawing firearms tends to reduce overall gun-related fatalities. Who knew? Apparently USA has some catching up to do.
- bluesroo 9y ago
  It's impossible to understate how much your comment has oversimplified the gun debate in the US. However, let's assume that the government has ideologically came to the same conclusion you've made and drafted a new constitutional amendment which outlawed gun ownership. There are incredible practical issues with actually enforcing it. How do you expect to collect 300 million firearms[1]? What do you do with 300M firearms once you have them? There are also high rate of illegal (and therefor untracked) gun ownership in gang controlled areas. How do you expect people to feel about being disarmed when they live in an area surrounded by violent, illegal gun owners who haven't been disarmed? What about the people who are gun collectors? Who may have spent their entire lives tracking down and collecting antique guns? Who's personal wealth may be largely in gun assets? Does the government pay them for each gun? Who the hell is going to trust the government to set a fair price for these guns? How much would it cost to buy 300 million gun and all of the related accessories and ammunition? I'm barely scratching the surface here and this is assuming that Congress has already passed a constitutional amendment! Banning guns in the United States will never happen, because before any of these practical implications become relevant a new amendment needs to be passed in order to override what our founding fathers and a lot of the country see as the second most important amendment. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_c...
  - nukeop 9y ago
    The second most important amendment that is responsible for thousands of deaths each year. Sure, the ban will never happen, that's why the USA will just have to deal with an enormous toll of completely avoidable deaths because of theoretical technical difficulties of outlawing such outdated and dangerous concept as civilian firearm ownership.