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he has. He makes ~$30,000/year (before taxes). Not only is this not "rich", most people couldn't survive on it. It's even worse if you have a family.

by rick888 16y ago

steveklabnik 16y ago
The person I was replying to said > I think I could get by on $30,000 a year Also, most people couldn't survive? Seriously? I live on two thirds of this, and I'm putting money in the bank every month. It is worse if you have a family, but then you have two incomes to play with.
- jacquesm 16y ago
  > It is worse if you have a family, but then you have two incomes to play with. Unless of course you have one or more young children in the house, in which case a good bit of time that you could spend on work goes towards taking care of the kids. Effectively that works out to about one full timer.
  - steveklabnik 16y ago
    It's true. My own mom decided to be a stay-at-home one, and it certainly caused financial hardship. But, at the risk of sounding callous... that's what happens when you make those choices.
patio11 16y ago
30k is the prefectural median income for a household w/o dependents. I assure you, this is survivable in Gifu.
kgo 16y ago
I'd agree that's not rich, but plenty of people can and do survive on that. Obviously it varies from area to area, but 35% of households in the US make under 30,000 a year. And that's not all just twenty-two year-olds fresh out of school. The thing is, whenever this comes up on a tech site, software engineers don't realize how much money they really do make. If you look at the median household income anywhere, it's shockingly low. ( $38,000 in NYC? $60,000 in San Fran proper? ) I guarantee that if most people here looked at the median income in their region, their jaws would drop at the thought of families getting by on that. But somehow they are. (Not that this has anything to do with FU money. It's just a pet peeve of mine whenever 'money needed to live' comes up in a group of highly-skilled highly-paid people, and they don't realize how good they have it.)

he has. He makes ~$30,000/year (before taxes). Not only is this not "rich", most people couldn't survive on it. It's even worse if you have a family.

by rick888 16y ago

he has. He makes ~$30,000/year (before taxes). Not only is this not "rich", most people couldn't survive on it. It's even worse if you have a family.

steveklabnik 16y ago

The person I was replying to said > I think I could get by on $30,000 a year Also, most people couldn't survive? Seriously? I live on two thirds of this, and I'm putting money in the bank every month. It is worse if you have a family, but then you have two incomes to play with.

jacquesm 16y ago
> It is worse if you have a family, but then you have two incomes to play with. Unless of course you have one or more young children in the house, in which case a good bit of time that you could spend on work goes towards taking care of the kids. Effectively that works out to about one full timer.
- steveklabnik 16y ago
  It's true. My own mom decided to be a stay-at-home one, and it certainly caused financial hardship. But, at the risk of sounding callous... that's what happens when you make those choices.

patio11 16y ago

30k is the prefectural median income for a household w/o dependents. I assure you, this is survivable in Gifu.

kgo 16y ago

I'd agree that's not rich, but plenty of people can and do survive on that. Obviously it varies from area to area, but 35% of households in the US make under 30,000 a year. And that's not all just twenty-two year-olds fresh out of school. The thing is, whenever this comes up on a tech site, software engineers don't realize how much money they really do make. If you look at the median household income anywhere, it's shockingly low. ( $38,000 in NYC? $60,000 in San Fran proper? ) I guarantee that if most people here looked at the median income in their region, their jaws would drop at the thought of families getting by on that. But somehow they are. (Not that this has anything to do with FU money. It's just a pet peeve of mine whenever 'money needed to live' comes up in a group of highly-skilled highly-paid people, and they don't realize how good they have it.)