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The US inflation rate over the last 40 years is readily available from the US Department of Labor based on the Consumer Price Index. http://www.bls.gov/data/in

by portman 16y ago

The US inflation rate over the last 40 years is readily available from the US Department of Labor based on the Consumer Price Index. http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm $35,594 in 1970 got you the same as $200,000 today. So why does it strain credulity to believe that $200,000 today will be equivalent to $500,000 in the year 2050? Inflation was much higher over the previous 40 years.

tokenadult 16y ago
More to the point, of course, is how much you will have to work to have that number of nominal dollars.
- achompas 16y ago
  Right. People are going crazy over the $500k number 40 years out but, in real dollars, that could easily convert to a middle-class wage today.
  - jerf 16y ago
    Actually, one of my (many) issues with political discourse today is that thanks to inflations, "the rich" has been defined down brutally over the past 30 to 40 years. Anyone currently making $250/year, yeah, if they're hurting it's their own damn fault for overreaching, but that is very rapidly becoming merely upper middle class. Meanwhile, neither our legal/tax nor our social definitions of "rich" are being updated at anywhere near the proper speed. I recall somewhere seeing that if you take the term "millionaire" at the time that it was coined, it would today take 130 million to have that same level of wealth. I can't seem to scare up a reference, but it's at least broadly correct even if I'm off by 10 or 20%. If you don't retire a millionaire in 2030/2040 money, you're going to be in real trouble. You're probably in trouble if you retire merely as a millionaire.
    - tokenadult 16y ago
      And yet many of the things that average people enjoy today could not be obtained with any amount of money when my grandfather was alive. Where I live, today, an annual income of U.S.$250,000 is very comfortable indeed (and rather rare).
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      - achompas 16y ago
        Right, this is a common economic discussion. People under the poverty line today can afford a roof, TV, and a home phone; 70 years ago they would stand in bread lines. Quality of life has definitely improved.
ArturSoler 16y ago
The CPI index is highly "massaged" (looking for a lower than actual value). A better inflation measure would probably be compare commodity prices then and now (copper, silver, gold, oil, etc). Of course that is compensated partly with productivity increases.

by portman 16y ago

tokenadult 16y ago

More to the point, of course, is how much you will have to work to have that number of nominal dollars.

achompas 16y ago
Right. People are going crazy over the $500k number 40 years out but, in real dollars, that could easily convert to a middle-class wage today.
- jerf 16y ago
  Actually, one of my (many) issues with political discourse today is that thanks to inflations, "the rich" has been defined down brutally over the past 30 to 40 years. Anyone currently making $250/year, yeah, if they're hurting it's their own damn fault for overreaching, but that is very rapidly becoming merely upper middle class. Meanwhile, neither our legal/tax nor our social definitions of "rich" are being updated at anywhere near the proper speed. I recall somewhere seeing that if you take the term "millionaire" at the time that it was coined, it would today take 130 million to have that same level of wealth. I can't seem to scare up a reference, but it's at least broadly correct even if I'm off by 10 or 20%. If you don't retire a millionaire in 2030/2040 money, you're going to be in real trouble. You're probably in trouble if you retire merely as a millionaire.
  - tokenadult 16y ago
    And yet many of the things that average people enjoy today could not be obtained with any amount of money when my grandfather was alive. Where I live, today, an annual income of U.S.$250,000 is very comfortable indeed (and rather rare).
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    - achompas 16y ago
      Right, this is a common economic discussion. People under the poverty line today can afford a roof, TV, and a home phone; 70 years ago they would stand in bread lines. Quality of life has definitely improved.

ArturSoler 16y ago

The CPI index is highly "massaged" (looking for a lower than actual value). A better inflation measure would probably be compare commodity prices then and now (copper, silver, gold, oil, etc). Of course that is compensated partly with productivity increases.