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Fraud would imply malice and criminal intent. What is criminal about paying for fake followers?

DannyBee 9y ago
No, it wouldn't. There is civil fraud too. Here's the basic black's law dictionary definition: An intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage.
- CobrastanJorji 9y ago
  What possible injury could result from my false belief that a Kardashian has four times the followers than she actually has?
  - DannyBee 9y ago
    You are apparently not imaginative enough :) Note that it includes indirect injury as well. The most obvious one is that you could could spend money on her as an advertiser, over someone else. But people are crazy. There are super-weird fact patterns in fraud cases out there.
- AnimalMuppet 9y ago
  Why would someone's number of followers be a "material fact"? I mean, it might make me decide to listen to them a time or two. It won't for long, though - they need to say something worth hearing for that. (Disclaimer: The previous paragraph is hypothetical. I don't do social media at all, so I don't follow anyone...)
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > Why would someone's number of followers be a "material fact"? People buying followers are often competing for commercial opportunities for which social media influence is a key factor in what they are selling to the prospective buyer.
cheschire 9y ago
If it results in a competing startup's product losing funding, and the fraudulent startup's product gaining funding based on fake followers, I could see the term "fraud" applying.
SCAQTony 9y ago
It could be considered criminal if you were stating your following or reach was immense, such as in the tens-of-thousands when really it was merely in the dozens, so as to arrange inflated endorsement dollars.
bobthechef 9y ago
No. From MW: * intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right * an act of deceiving or misrepresenting In other words, yes, fraud, your ticket to the 8th Circle of hell.
- mykoleary 9y ago
  Saying I have 10K followers is not a lie or misrepresentation of any facts, even if you bought half of them. Saying you have 10K ACTIVE followers when you bought half of them IS. Companies need to do their research and ask the right questions before they part with their money...
  - AnimalMuppet 9y ago
    IANAL, but I'm pretty sure I can make fake followers continue to be active, unless "active" is defined very carefully...
  - DannyBee 9y ago
    "Saying I have 10K followers is not a lie or misrepresentation of any facts, even if you bought half of them. " Sure it is, it's omission of a material fact. You know the person is trying to get through to real people. You know the number of actual people who are followers is smaller than the real number (through your intentional act of buying them), and you know this is material to the person you are talking to. If they suffer legal injury, congrats, you committed fraud. This is pretty basic stuff. The kind of logic parsing you are attempting is not how the law works. "Companies need to do their research and ask the right questions before they part with their money..." While generally true, it's irrelevant here. This is a thing you would definitely have a duty to disclose (for a ton of reasons). This would make it ripe for a misrepresentation-type fraud claim.
afrophysics1 9y ago
upvoting this for starting a healthy debate.

No, it wouldn't. There is civil fraud too. Here's the basic black's law dictionary definition: An intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage.

CobrastanJorji 9y ago
What possible injury could result from my false belief that a Kardashian has four times the followers than she actually has?
- DannyBee 9y ago
  You are apparently not imaginative enough :) Note that it includes indirect injury as well. The most obvious one is that you could could spend money on her as an advertiser, over someone else. But people are crazy. There are super-weird fact patterns in fraud cases out there.
AnimalMuppet 9y ago
Why would someone's number of followers be a "material fact"? I mean, it might make me decide to listen to them a time or two. It won't for long, though - they need to say something worth hearing for that. (Disclaimer: The previous paragraph is hypothetical. I don't do social media at all, so I don't follow anyone...)
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Why would someone's number of followers be a "material fact"? People buying followers are often competing for commercial opportunities for which social media influence is a key factor in what they are selling to the prospective buyer.

cheschire 9y ago

If it results in a competing startup's product losing funding, and the fraudulent startup's product gaining funding based on fake followers, I could see the term "fraud" applying.

SCAQTony 9y ago

It could be considered criminal if you were stating your following or reach was immense, such as in the tens-of-thousands when really it was merely in the dozens, so as to arrange inflated endorsement dollars.

bobthechef 9y ago

No. From MW: * intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right * an act of deceiving or misrepresenting In other words, yes, fraud, your ticket to the 8th Circle of hell.

mykoleary 9y ago
Saying I have 10K followers is not a lie or misrepresentation of any facts, even if you bought half of them. Saying you have 10K ACTIVE followers when you bought half of them IS. Companies need to do their research and ask the right questions before they part with their money...
- AnimalMuppet 9y ago
  IANAL, but I'm pretty sure I can make fake followers continue to be active, unless "active" is defined very carefully...
- DannyBee 9y ago
  "Saying I have 10K followers is not a lie or misrepresentation of any facts, even if you bought half of them. " Sure it is, it's omission of a material fact. You know the person is trying to get through to real people. You know the number of actual people who are followers is smaller than the real number (through your intentional act of buying them), and you know this is material to the person you are talking to. If they suffer legal injury, congrats, you committed fraud. This is pretty basic stuff. The kind of logic parsing you are attempting is not how the law works. "Companies need to do their research and ask the right questions before they part with their money..." While generally true, it's irrelevant here. This is a thing you would definitely have a duty to disclose (for a ton of reasons). This would make it ripe for a misrepresentation-type fraud claim.

afrophysics1 9y ago

upvoting this for starting a healthy debate.