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Protip: When you accuse people of talking out of their arse, don't then proceed to talk out of your arse.

by magila 9y ago

ZenoArrow 9y ago
Protip: When you disagree with someone, try to offer more than just an ad hominem. If you disagree with something I've said, by all means explain why.
- magila 9y ago
  I'm not trying to start a debate here. It's obvious from your posts that you don't have any particular knowledge of AMD's console dealings, or even console dealings in general. You only speak to generalities which are well known among even casual observers of the industry. None of what you've said specifically refutes the original claim. I know you don't have any grounds to speak with any authority on the matter, and you know it too if you're honest with yourself.
  - ZenoArrow 9y ago
    > "I'm not trying to start a debate here." Interesting. > "It's obvious from your posts that you don't have any particular knowledge of AMD's console dealings, or even console dealings in general." I never claimed to. > "You only speak to generalities which are well known among even casual observers of the industry. None of what you've said specifically refutes the original claim." It's precisely because these market generalities do not match with what was proposed that I called it into question. Developing new silicon is a risky endeavour. Even going from one process node to a smaller process node without changing the design architecturally is fraught with problems, resulting in lower yield until the manufacturing kinks are worked out. Why would a chip manufacturer agree to a deal where they're expected to take on increased risk for a lower reward? It makes no business sense. That's what I was calling into question. > "I know you don't have any grounds to speak with any authority on the matter, and you know it too if you're honest with yourself" I may not personally know the same people vvanders knows, but I can put myself in the shoes of a businessman running a chip manufacturer. I enjoyed debating with vvanders, and aside from leaving out the dig at the people they know in the industry, I'd do it again.
dang 9y ago
Please don't post uncivil comments here, even if you're right that someone else is wrong. There's nothing substantive here, which means you're just degrading the site. If you know more, which you may well do, the way to comment here is to share some of what you know in a way the rest of us can learn from. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Protip: When you accuse people of talking out of their arse, don't then proceed to talk out of your arse.

by magila 9y ago

Protip: When you accuse people of talking out of their arse, don't then proceed to talk out of your arse.

Protip: When you disagree with someone, try to offer more than just an ad hominem. If you disagree with something I've said, by all means explain why.

magila 9y ago
I'm not trying to start a debate here. It's obvious from your posts that you don't have any particular knowledge of AMD's console dealings, or even console dealings in general. You only speak to generalities which are well known among even casual observers of the industry. None of what you've said specifically refutes the original claim. I know you don't have any grounds to speak with any authority on the matter, and you know it too if you're honest with yourself.
- ZenoArrow 9y ago
  > "I'm not trying to start a debate here." Interesting. > "It's obvious from your posts that you don't have any particular knowledge of AMD's console dealings, or even console dealings in general." I never claimed to. > "You only speak to generalities which are well known among even casual observers of the industry. None of what you've said specifically refutes the original claim." It's precisely because these market generalities do not match with what was proposed that I called it into question. Developing new silicon is a risky endeavour. Even going from one process node to a smaller process node without changing the design architecturally is fraught with problems, resulting in lower yield until the manufacturing kinks are worked out. Why would a chip manufacturer agree to a deal where they're expected to take on increased risk for a lower reward? It makes no business sense. That's what I was calling into question. > "I know you don't have any grounds to speak with any authority on the matter, and you know it too if you're honest with yourself" I may not personally know the same people vvanders knows, but I can put myself in the shoes of a businessman running a chip manufacturer. I enjoyed debating with vvanders, and aside from leaving out the dig at the people they know in the industry, I'd do it again.

dang 9y ago

Please don't post uncivil comments here, even if you're right that someone else is wrong. There's nothing substantive here, which means you're just degrading the site. If you know more, which you may well do, the way to comment here is to share some of what you know in a way the rest of us can learn from. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html