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I would really like to see a formula class that has no human pilots and no one on or near the field so the cars can go as fast as they possibly can, no limitati

I would really like to see a formula class that has no human pilots and no one on or near the field so the cars can go as fast as they possibly can, no limitation based on human reaction speed or human safety, no arbitrary rules around tire material or suction fans under the car etc etc.

pixelbash 9y ago
I think that is in the works https://roborace.com/ https://roborace.com/
tomseldon 9y ago
I'd like to see that out of pure curiosity, but I would almost definitely struggle to get excited about it without the human element. I think most wouldn't be that interested if there wasn't an actual driver (in the car, too, not some remote thing), even if it's ultimately faster.
- lovemenot 9y ago
  I think your post just helped me understand why I never was interested in sports. I cannot get excited watching other humans doing heroic stuff. This would not change for me if it were AI's with identifiable characteristics doing the activities (driving). With suitable marketing maybe real sportsfans could get behind (hypotheically) Team Waymo's AlphaRomeo Zero. Especially with an e-sports tie-in. Imagine racing, and thereby helping to train your (AI) hero on a simulator.
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago
  > I would almost definitely struggle to get excited about it without the human element You'd have teams in "pits" monitoring their vehicles live. Those reactions will be raw and humanistic. When the vehicle comes in for a "pit stop," the team--in addition to doing mechanical maintenance--could be allowed to tweak the code, e.g. based on strategic observations of other cars' behaviours. To keep it interesting, one could mandate--to make up for the electronics in the car--all "pit stop" labor be completely manual. (Any code changes could be taken onto the track on an unpowered drive.)
rtkwe 9y ago
The reason for rules around tire material and car design are to make sure there's at least a semblance of a level playing field and it doesn't become just a huge race around who can buy some game breaking gadget or feature.
King-Aaron 9y ago
I agree with all of those points, except for your first one. As a driver myself, I can see that humans will always search for more speed, and taking the driver away from the vehicle ultimately makes the overall activity less engaging (for the drivers, and the audience). I do agree that such a class could be run along side a human-driven class as an alternative event. To go one step further, I feel this is where the Red Bull Air Race should go, so we can see some actual jet-powered racing at ridiculous speeds.
Saturn_V 9y ago
Check out the formula student competition, they might not be at that stage yet but they have a driverless category since last year
EvgeniyZh 9y ago
https://roborace.com/ https://roborace.com/

pixelbash 9y ago

I think that is in the works https://roborace.com/ https://roborace.com/

tomseldon 9y ago

I'd like to see that out of pure curiosity, but I would almost definitely struggle to get excited about it without the human element. I think most wouldn't be that interested if there wasn't an actual driver (in the car, too, not some remote thing), even if it's ultimately faster.

lovemenot 9y ago
I think your post just helped me understand why I never was interested in sports. I cannot get excited watching other humans doing heroic stuff. This would not change for me if it were AI's with identifiable characteristics doing the activities (driving). With suitable marketing maybe real sportsfans could get behind (hypotheically) Team Waymo's AlphaRomeo Zero. Especially with an e-sports tie-in. Imagine racing, and thereby helping to train your (AI) hero on a simulator.
JumpCrisscross 9y ago
> I would almost definitely struggle to get excited about it without the human element You'd have teams in "pits" monitoring their vehicles live. Those reactions will be raw and humanistic. When the vehicle comes in for a "pit stop," the team--in addition to doing mechanical maintenance--could be allowed to tweak the code, e.g. based on strategic observations of other cars' behaviours. To keep it interesting, one could mandate--to make up for the electronics in the car--all "pit stop" labor be completely manual. (Any code changes could be taken onto the track on an unpowered drive.)

rtkwe 9y ago

The reason for rules around tire material and car design are to make sure there's at least a semblance of a level playing field and it doesn't become just a huge race around who can buy some game breaking gadget or feature.

King-Aaron 9y ago

I agree with all of those points, except for your first one. As a driver myself, I can see that humans will always search for more speed, and taking the driver away from the vehicle ultimately makes the overall activity less engaging (for the drivers, and the audience). I do agree that such a class could be run along side a human-driven class as an alternative event. To go one step further, I feel this is where the Red Bull Air Race should go, so we can see some actual jet-powered racing at ridiculous speeds.

Saturn_V 9y ago

Check out the formula student competition, they might not be at that stage yet but they have a driverless category since last year

EvgeniyZh 9y ago

https://roborace.com/ https://roborace.com/