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Why are you making this about me? I'd be more then happy to talk numbers but unwilling to talk about myself.

by lev99 9y ago

mistermann 9y ago
I think it may have been you that made it about you: "I disagree..." Regardless, they are advocating for policy on half the numbers and someone is protesting that, you seem to be opposed to the protest due to their numbers being inconclusive or incomplete, which is a related but different argument. Or am I mistaken?
- lev99 9y ago
  Start with whatever answer you like, and then ask the right questions to get the right answers, and you can make a spreadsheet that backs up your initial position. All arguments inspire nihilism when deconstructed. Descartes started an argument with one axiom, "I think therefrom I am" and logiced his way back to his initial worldview. I kind of wanted to get into an argument about numbers, not an argument about what makes a valid argument. Because there are no valid arguments. Back to smoking. One of the more honest cost analysis of smoking is the chapter Estimating the Costs of Tobacco Use in "Tobacco Control in Developing Countries"(2000). The entire paper is riddled with admissions that they are using uncertain data, they are omitting missing data, and that even if the data was perfect the statistics relay on assumptions. They also don't calculate the benefit of early death and reach a price fairly close to neutral(1.1%-.1% of gdp). So yeah, personally I don't trust their numbers either. Thanks for asking.
  - mistermann 9y ago
    > I kind of wanted to get into an argument about numbers, not an argument about what makes a valid argument Then don't complain about people "making it about you". > Because there are no valid arguments. Well then, looks like we're all done here. > They also don't calculate the benefit of early death and reach a price fairly close to neutral(1.1%-.1% of gdp). If you leave out certain costs, you can indeed reach whatever conclusion you'd like. > Thanks for asking. Thanks for reminding me I have to check my reddit inbox.

Why are you making this about me? I'd be more then happy to talk numbers but unwilling to talk about myself.

by lev99 9y ago

Why are you making this about me? I'd be more then happy to talk numbers but unwilling to talk about myself.

I think it may have been you that made it about you: "I disagree..." Regardless, they are advocating for policy on half the numbers and someone is protesting that, you seem to be opposed to the protest due to their numbers being inconclusive or incomplete, which is a related but different argument. Or am I mistaken?

lev99 9y ago
Start with whatever answer you like, and then ask the right questions to get the right answers, and you can make a spreadsheet that backs up your initial position. All arguments inspire nihilism when deconstructed. Descartes started an argument with one axiom, "I think therefrom I am" and logiced his way back to his initial worldview. I kind of wanted to get into an argument about numbers, not an argument about what makes a valid argument. Because there are no valid arguments. Back to smoking. One of the more honest cost analysis of smoking is the chapter Estimating the Costs of Tobacco Use in "Tobacco Control in Developing Countries"(2000). The entire paper is riddled with admissions that they are using uncertain data, they are omitting missing data, and that even if the data was perfect the statistics relay on assumptions. They also don't calculate the benefit of early death and reach a price fairly close to neutral(1.1%-.1% of gdp). So yeah, personally I don't trust their numbers either. Thanks for asking.
- mistermann 9y ago
  > I kind of wanted to get into an argument about numbers, not an argument about what makes a valid argument Then don't complain about people "making it about you". > Because there are no valid arguments. Well then, looks like we're all done here. > They also don't calculate the benefit of early death and reach a price fairly close to neutral(1.1%-.1% of gdp). If you leave out certain costs, you can indeed reach whatever conclusion you'd like. > Thanks for asking. Thanks for reminding me I have to check my reddit inbox.