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You don't find it ironic in that you're judging people for what they find enjoyable and arguing it misses the point of doing something for enjoyment? I receive

You don't find it ironic in that you're judging people for what they find enjoyable and arguing it misses the point of doing something for enjoyment? I receive immense pleasure and enjoyment in improving at things -- something I assume is probably an evolutionary imperative. Bettering ourselves is fun. Competing is fun. Bettering ourselves while competing is absurdly fun.

YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
Fun is one thing. Dangerous is another. Edit: btw, I think it's fine to "judge" people. My judgement, if that's what it is, can't really affect anyone's life, or actions and they're not even addressed to any particular individual. You might even say they're actually my, you know- opinions.
- indubitable 9y ago
  Sure, but in reality opinions are the one thing we ought scrutinize the most, right? Facts are either true or false, but are unchanging at given any moment in time. Opinions are not necessarily true or false, but can and arguably should constantly change. So perhaps seeing things from anothers eyes might lead you to consider your own opinion in another way. And if not then of course that's also fine. To each their own!
  - YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
    At some point, you have to form an opinion, though. The fact of the matter is that there are dangers associated with freediving, in any form. Whether one considers those dangers as necessary or acceptable, or not, is a matter of opinion. I mean, there's no way to objectively decide what is acceptable risk. You can choose some arbitrary cutoff point, but it's always going to be an arbitrary cutoff point and nothing else. And I think it's important to be able to look at facts (limited obviously by our ability to know them for sure) and make a decision about what you think is right to do based on them- and not just regarding risk. Regarding anything. In many issues that we have to deal with in our everyday life there is no cut-and-dried answer, so we just have to exercise our best, well, judgement. You're right that we must leave such judgements open to re-evaluation, absolutely. That's what debating them on the internets is for :)

YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago

Fun is one thing. Dangerous is another. Edit: btw, I think it's fine to "judge" people. My judgement, if that's what it is, can't really affect anyone's life, or actions and they're not even addressed to any particular individual. You might even say they're actually my, you know- opinions.

indubitable 9y ago
Sure, but in reality opinions are the one thing we ought scrutinize the most, right? Facts are either true or false, but are unchanging at given any moment in time. Opinions are not necessarily true or false, but can and arguably should constantly change. So perhaps seeing things from anothers eyes might lead you to consider your own opinion in another way. And if not then of course that's also fine. To each their own!
- YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
  At some point, you have to form an opinion, though. The fact of the matter is that there are dangers associated with freediving, in any form. Whether one considers those dangers as necessary or acceptable, or not, is a matter of opinion. I mean, there's no way to objectively decide what is acceptable risk. You can choose some arbitrary cutoff point, but it's always going to be an arbitrary cutoff point and nothing else. And I think it's important to be able to look at facts (limited obviously by our ability to know them for sure) and make a decision about what you think is right to do based on them- and not just regarding risk. Regarding anything. In many issues that we have to deal with in our everyday life there is no cut-and-dried answer, so we just have to exercise our best, well, judgement. You're right that we must leave such judgements open to re-evaluation, absolutely. That's what debating them on the internets is for :)