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This didn't explain to me why you shouldn't do burpees. So I clicked on the article to see if you had missed quoting the meat of the guy's point. Found out...

by PakG1 9y ago

This didn't explain to me why you shouldn't do burpees. So I clicked on the article to see if you had missed quoting the meat of the guy's point. Found out... nope, you got it. So we shouldn't do burpees because it came from the military as a way to dodge bullets? I don't get how that says we shouldn't do them. His point that it's not good for the wrist, and the spine is not in the proper position? The burpees or the sitting in the office? I'm not clear. If the sitting in the office causes the wrist and spine issues, how is this relevant to whether or not I should do burpees? If the burpees cause the wrist and spine issues, how do burpees cause that? There's no explanation in the article. But there ARE a lot of fitness trainers who claim that burpees are great. So I'm guessing it's clear why I'm still thinking that burpees are OK.

coldtea 9y ago
>So we shouldn't do burpees because it came from the military as a way to dodge bullets? Was the part where it says: “Burpees aren’t good for the human body" or "It’s not good for the wrist, and the spine is not in the proper position.” missing?
- PakG1 9y ago
  Per my above comment, should I accept what anyone has to say about random things without asking themselves to explain themselves, including allegations about why it's not good for the wrist, and how it puts the spine in an improper position?
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >should I accept what anyone has to say about random things without asking themselves to explain themselves, including allegations about why it's not good for the wrist, and how it puts the spine in an improper position? No, but a trainer's advice is better to accept than random internet suggestions. If you want to question those, by all means, go to the medical literature and papers and see if those give more exact reasons or even disagree with said advice. Do you ask for those from your trainer or doctor too though, or usually just follow their advice?
    - PakG1 9y ago
      I'm not sure why you keep ignoring what I wrote, and I'm not sure why I keep replying at this point. A lot of trainers recommend burpees. They're not random Internet suggestions. They also recommend burpees because there are scientific explanations for how it stresses the body well. Perhaps it's not for people whose bodies aren't ready for it, but that goes for any exercise. https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/burpees-best-exercise-for-burning-calories https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/burpees-best-exercise-for... Burpees make everything burn: Your muscles, your lungs, and most importantly, a ton of calories. The exercise—which entails going from pushup position to a jump and back to a pushup position again—is so tough that performing about 10 fast-paced reps is just as effective at revving your metabolism as a 30-second all-out sprint, according to a recent study published by the American College of Sports Medicine. In the study, researchers enlisted ROTC cadets for something called the Wingate Anaerobic Power Test: a 30-second sprint with 4 minutes of rest in between for 4 rounds. Some cadets performed 30 seconds of sprinting on a stationary bike while the others did 30 seconds of burpees as quickly as possible. The result: Both high-intensity exercises resulted in serious metabolic and cardiovascular spikes. But here’s the difference: "Pedaling on a stationary bike is a relatively simple motor pattern, whereas the burpee involves some degree of agility, balance, coordination, and total body strength” thanks to the exercise’s multiple steps, says lead researcher Nicholas H. Gist, Ph.D., deputy director of the Department of Physical Education at the U.S. Military Academy. http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/31/burpees-really-one-exercise-never-attempt-7275306/ http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/31/burpees-really-one-exercise-ne... Laurence Hannah runs Metabolic London – a functional group training gym – that certainly loves handing out burpees, just when you think the pain is over. ‘I think if it’s done incorrectly – like anything – it can be bad for you…but isn’t that what coaching is all about?’ he tells Metro.co.uk. ‘If we as coaches show you the correct method, and then forget to stretch you off before you go and sit at the desk, then what’s the problem. If you squat heavy and sit at a desk, if you spin and sit at a desk, if you box and sit at a desk without stretching afterwards then you’d have tightness. ‘As long as you perform the move correctly, have the right flexibility and strength AND look after yourself when the training is done, THEN I think it’s a powerful move.’ One could say that the above has so many caveats. Well, no, the above caveats exist for all exercises, whether lifting weights, running, playing basketball, everything. That doesn't mean that all exercises should be ignored, and it certainly doesn't mean that burpees should be ignored. Patrick Murphy is making the claim that burpees are bad in the face of explanations of how burpees are good. The burden of proof is on him to explain why they're bad, as well as anyone on who cites him.
cornholio 9y ago
As a proud owner of a herniated spinal disk, the advice makes alot of sense without any study. Putting pressure on an untrained bent lower back a bad ideea. The spine is held in place by strong muscles that will indeed atrophy for office workers, allowing the disk to damage and bulge towards the spinal cord.
- PakG1 9y ago
  Thanks. That's good information. That being said, if someone is injured or so out of shape that burpees would put too much pressure on their back, I imagine that normal exercise theory should not apply to them. I suppose they need to go through physiotherapy or rehab before they can partake in normal exercise. If we want to include them in the discussion, then I fear that's moving the goalposts, no? For your herniated disk, hope it gets better, whether through back surgery, a chiropractor, or a physiotherapist. Best of luck.
  - cornholio 9y ago
    It's not really moving the goalposts since in overweight and obese people the disk can damage by improperly lifting their own body weight - and that matches well with the demographics for low intensity physical exercise like 10000 steps. So I'm not against burpees and if it works for you that's good, I would avoid recommending any spinal stressing exercise to a broad demografic where it can do more damage than good for some. Seen in this light, his answer makes sense: the exercise that you should NEVER do is probably safe for most people, but could be detrimental for enough otherwise healthy people for him not to endorse it. A classic case of a few of us ruining it for the rest of you. Thank you for the kind words.

by PakG1 9y ago

coldtea 9y ago

>So we shouldn't do burpees because it came from the military as a way to dodge bullets? Was the part where it says: “Burpees aren’t good for the human body" or "It’s not good for the wrist, and the spine is not in the proper position.” missing?

PakG1 9y ago
Per my above comment, should I accept what anyone has to say about random things without asking themselves to explain themselves, including allegations about why it's not good for the wrist, and how it puts the spine in an improper position?
- coldtea 9y ago
  >should I accept what anyone has to say about random things without asking themselves to explain themselves, including allegations about why it's not good for the wrist, and how it puts the spine in an improper position? No, but a trainer's advice is better to accept than random internet suggestions. If you want to question those, by all means, go to the medical literature and papers and see if those give more exact reasons or even disagree with said advice. Do you ask for those from your trainer or doctor too though, or usually just follow their advice?
  - PakG1 9y ago
    I'm not sure why you keep ignoring what I wrote, and I'm not sure why I keep replying at this point. A lot of trainers recommend burpees. They're not random Internet suggestions. They also recommend burpees because there are scientific explanations for how it stresses the body well. Perhaps it's not for people whose bodies aren't ready for it, but that goes for any exercise. https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/burpees-best-exercise-for-burning-calories https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/burpees-best-exercise-for... Burpees make everything burn: Your muscles, your lungs, and most importantly, a ton of calories. The exercise—which entails going from pushup position to a jump and back to a pushup position again—is so tough that performing about 10 fast-paced reps is just as effective at revving your metabolism as a 30-second all-out sprint, according to a recent study published by the American College of Sports Medicine. In the study, researchers enlisted ROTC cadets for something called the Wingate Anaerobic Power Test: a 30-second sprint with 4 minutes of rest in between for 4 rounds. Some cadets performed 30 seconds of sprinting on a stationary bike while the others did 30 seconds of burpees as quickly as possible. The result: Both high-intensity exercises resulted in serious metabolic and cardiovascular spikes. But here’s the difference: "Pedaling on a stationary bike is a relatively simple motor pattern, whereas the burpee involves some degree of agility, balance, coordination, and total body strength” thanks to the exercise’s multiple steps, says lead researcher Nicholas H. Gist, Ph.D., deputy director of the Department of Physical Education at the U.S. Military Academy. http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/31/burpees-really-one-exercise-never-attempt-7275306/ http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/31/burpees-really-one-exercise-ne... Laurence Hannah runs Metabolic London – a functional group training gym – that certainly loves handing out burpees, just when you think the pain is over. ‘I think if it’s done incorrectly – like anything – it can be bad for you…but isn’t that what coaching is all about?’ he tells Metro.co.uk. ‘If we as coaches show you the correct method, and then forget to stretch you off before you go and sit at the desk, then what’s the problem. If you squat heavy and sit at a desk, if you spin and sit at a desk, if you box and sit at a desk without stretching afterwards then you’d have tightness. ‘As long as you perform the move correctly, have the right flexibility and strength AND look after yourself when the training is done, THEN I think it’s a powerful move.’ One could say that the above has so many caveats. Well, no, the above caveats exist for all exercises, whether lifting weights, running, playing basketball, everything. That doesn't mean that all exercises should be ignored, and it certainly doesn't mean that burpees should be ignored. Patrick Murphy is making the claim that burpees are bad in the face of explanations of how burpees are good. The burden of proof is on him to explain why they're bad, as well as anyone on who cites him.

cornholio 9y ago

As a proud owner of a herniated spinal disk, the advice makes alot of sense without any study. Putting pressure on an untrained bent lower back a bad ideea. The spine is held in place by strong muscles that will indeed atrophy for office workers, allowing the disk to damage and bulge towards the spinal cord.

PakG1 9y ago
Thanks. That's good information. That being said, if someone is injured or so out of shape that burpees would put too much pressure on their back, I imagine that normal exercise theory should not apply to them. I suppose they need to go through physiotherapy or rehab before they can partake in normal exercise. If we want to include them in the discussion, then I fear that's moving the goalposts, no? For your herniated disk, hope it gets better, whether through back surgery, a chiropractor, or a physiotherapist. Best of luck.
- cornholio 9y ago
  It's not really moving the goalposts since in overweight and obese people the disk can damage by improperly lifting their own body weight - and that matches well with the demographics for low intensity physical exercise like 10000 steps. So I'm not against burpees and if it works for you that's good, I would avoid recommending any spinal stressing exercise to a broad demografic where it can do more damage than good for some. Seen in this light, his answer makes sense: the exercise that you should NEVER do is probably safe for most people, but could be detrimental for enough otherwise healthy people for him not to endorse it. A classic case of a few of us ruining it for the rest of you. Thank you for the kind words.