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They said the same thing about the iPod and the iPhone.

by lzw 16y ago

jonknee 16y ago
Looks like they were correct about the iPhone.
- credo 16y ago
  How were they correct ? iPhone market share has not "dropped". It has been constantly increasing.
  - jonknee 16y ago
    I don't see a future where they have over 20% of the market. I'd be surprised if it ends up being significantly over 10% actually. iPhone's market share growth has halted and Android is growing leaps and bounds. I think Apple is OK with this too, they can make plenty of money taking the top 10% of the market just like they do with computers.
nir 16y ago
They are correct about the iPhone, and will be correct about the iPad - it's not really about closeness in this case, but price. Cheap Android tablets are already popping up and Apple will probably prefer maintaining their domination of the high end rather than compete with $150 (and in a few years $35?) products.
- evo_9 16y ago
  Sure but given the choice of buying let's say a acer tablet or the rumored 7" iPad for a little more (guessing the price is going to be 200ish less than the current iPad). Apple has a good knack for keeping ahead of the market and their competitors.
  - nir 16y ago
    If the price is comparable I think Apple will maintain leadership, regardless of platform openness (at least in the short term). It remains to see if Apple would be interested at all in competing at the low range. They mostly avoid it in the desktops/laptops market, but do compete with iPods, so who knows.
    - evo_9 16y ago
      Yeah I agree on the low-end aversion thing. I just don't think it's a matter of 'low-end' versus 'high-end'; I think it's more about brand awareness and pricing accordingly. If Apple has a comparable product at a similar price (read: slightly more than everyone else), they are going to clean up. Most people are going to pick a brand they know well and is publicly very highly regarded over a similarly priced, 'cheaper knock-off'. And sure Apple didn't invent the 'tablet' but as far as mainstream buyers are concerned they did.
- demallien 16y ago
  I'm really not sure about the iPhone and the iPad being comparable products. The iPad (and other tablets) needs apps. Without apps, it's a very expensive web browser. Yet, as much as the tech world has complained about the closed nature of the App STore, we are still seeing most of app innovation occuring in Apple's marketplace. Just to clarify that last statement, it is true that there are a few small classes of applications that Apple's terms and conditions make impossible to implement on an iOS device. But in my opinion, these types of apps make up only about 10% of all possible apps (I just made that number up, but call it an educated guess based on a test I tried out about a year ago, where I sat down and tossed out a bunch of ideas for apps - about 90% were acceptable to App Store rules), and for the rest of the market, we constantly see apps first on the Apps Store and only afterwards do we see them in the Google Marketplace, if at all. I'm not seeing any signs of that trend changing, which means that Apple is going to remain software king-of-the-hill for quite some time, and that does not auger well for the success of Android tablets.
- nanairo 16y ago
  Yeah, I think you are probably right (though maybe not quite on the prices). But remember when the iPad was still "secret"? How everyone thought it was going to cost 1000$ and it was going to be trashed by Android/Windows tablet at 500$? Apple has priced it a lot more competitively then they used to do. I wonder how much room will give the competition to undercut them on price.

They said the same thing about the iPod and the iPhone.

by lzw 16y ago

They said the same thing about the iPod and the iPhone.

jonknee 16y ago

Looks like they were correct about the iPhone.

credo 16y ago
How were they correct ? iPhone market share has not "dropped". It has been constantly increasing.
- jonknee 16y ago
  I don't see a future where they have over 20% of the market. I'd be surprised if it ends up being significantly over 10% actually. iPhone's market share growth has halted and Android is growing leaps and bounds. I think Apple is OK with this too, they can make plenty of money taking the top 10% of the market just like they do with computers.

nir 16y ago

They are correct about the iPhone, and will be correct about the iPad - it's not really about closeness in this case, but price. Cheap Android tablets are already popping up and Apple will probably prefer maintaining their domination of the high end rather than compete with $150 (and in a few years $35?) products.

evo_9 16y ago
Sure but given the choice of buying let's say a acer tablet or the rumored 7" iPad for a little more (guessing the price is going to be 200ish less than the current iPad). Apple has a good knack for keeping ahead of the market and their competitors.
- nir 16y ago
  If the price is comparable I think Apple will maintain leadership, regardless of platform openness (at least in the short term). It remains to see if Apple would be interested at all in competing at the low range. They mostly avoid it in the desktops/laptops market, but do compete with iPods, so who knows.
  - evo_9 16y ago
    Yeah I agree on the low-end aversion thing. I just don't think it's a matter of 'low-end' versus 'high-end'; I think it's more about brand awareness and pricing accordingly. If Apple has a comparable product at a similar price (read: slightly more than everyone else), they are going to clean up. Most people are going to pick a brand they know well and is publicly very highly regarded over a similarly priced, 'cheaper knock-off'. And sure Apple didn't invent the 'tablet' but as far as mainstream buyers are concerned they did.
demallien 16y ago
I'm really not sure about the iPhone and the iPad being comparable products. The iPad (and other tablets) needs apps. Without apps, it's a very expensive web browser. Yet, as much as the tech world has complained about the closed nature of the App STore, we are still seeing most of app innovation occuring in Apple's marketplace. Just to clarify that last statement, it is true that there are a few small classes of applications that Apple's terms and conditions make impossible to implement on an iOS device. But in my opinion, these types of apps make up only about 10% of all possible apps (I just made that number up, but call it an educated guess based on a test I tried out about a year ago, where I sat down and tossed out a bunch of ideas for apps - about 90% were acceptable to App Store rules), and for the rest of the market, we constantly see apps first on the Apps Store and only afterwards do we see them in the Google Marketplace, if at all. I'm not seeing any signs of that trend changing, which means that Apple is going to remain software king-of-the-hill for quite some time, and that does not auger well for the success of Android tablets.
nanairo 16y ago
Yeah, I think you are probably right (though maybe not quite on the prices). But remember when the iPad was still "secret"? How everyone thought it was going to cost 1000$ and it was going to be trashed by Android/Windows tablet at 500$? Apple has priced it a lot more competitively then they used to do. I wonder how much room will give the competition to undercut them on price.