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All very lamentable but you read it and get a sense of someone who is largely passive and to whom life happens. Where's the sense of ownership and shaping your

All very lamentable but you read it and get a sense of someone who is largely passive and to whom life happens. Where's the sense of ownership and shaping your own destiny?

EliRivers 9y ago
What point are you making? Are you saying it's his own fault for not having shaped his own destiny like an Ayn Rand character? Are you saying it would be nice if he did have more of a sense of ownership? Sure, that would be nice, but lots of things in life would be nice and saying they would be nice makes no difference to anything. What point are you making? Someone who shapes their own destiny such that they wouldn't be in this situation, wouldn't be in this situation. I might as well say it would be nice if someone hit by a car hadn't been in the road.
dm319 9y ago
'lamentable' is such a passive word to describe someone's life becoming a living hell and ruin. Not everyone is able to organise their life, not everyone is clever or successful, and certainly most people do not shape their own destiny. The question is what do you think is ok to happen to people like this? Are you ok with this happening to people in your community? For some people the anwser is 'yes'. Those people might be selfish, or uncaring. Maybe they lack empathy. Maybe they don't believe it is happening. Even if they are selfish, they'd also have to believe the chance of this happening to them is going to be very low.
- jarl-ragnar 9y ago
  I guess I'm questioning the spin that the BBC article put on this. And no I'm not ok with this happening to people. However, there were opportunities where he could have helped himself - exhibit better judgement on who he chose to drink with, thus avoiding the stabbing; - understand that the change in benefit payment is making it his responsibility to pay the rent. Let's face it he must have noticed the increased payment to him when that first rent cheque landed in his account. Living in the UK and being subjected to this sort of "journalistic" output from the BBC day-in-day out, I read it as a propaganda piece by the BBC designed to support their agenda.
  - dm319 9y ago
    Not everyone is capable of keeping up with modern life, being responsible for bills, payments, admin, forms etc.. particularly if it is made deliberately convoluted, or if there is a concurrent medical issue.
gbuk2013 9y ago
There are many people like that, now what?

All very lamentable but you read it and get a sense of someone who is largely passive and to whom life happens. Where's the sense of ownership and shaping your own destiny?

EliRivers 9y ago

What point are you making? Are you saying it's his own fault for not having shaped his own destiny like an Ayn Rand character? Are you saying it would be nice if he did have more of a sense of ownership? Sure, that would be nice, but lots of things in life would be nice and saying they would be nice makes no difference to anything. What point are you making? Someone who shapes their own destiny such that they wouldn't be in this situation, wouldn't be in this situation. I might as well say it would be nice if someone hit by a car hadn't been in the road.

dm319 9y ago

'lamentable' is such a passive word to describe someone's life becoming a living hell and ruin. Not everyone is able to organise their life, not everyone is clever or successful, and certainly most people do not shape their own destiny. The question is what do you think is ok to happen to people like this? Are you ok with this happening to people in your community? For some people the anwser is 'yes'. Those people might be selfish, or uncaring. Maybe they lack empathy. Maybe they don't believe it is happening. Even if they are selfish, they'd also have to believe the chance of this happening to them is going to be very low.

jarl-ragnar 9y ago
I guess I'm questioning the spin that the BBC article put on this. And no I'm not ok with this happening to people. However, there were opportunities where he could have helped himself - exhibit better judgement on who he chose to drink with, thus avoiding the stabbing; - understand that the change in benefit payment is making it his responsibility to pay the rent. Let's face it he must have noticed the increased payment to him when that first rent cheque landed in his account. Living in the UK and being subjected to this sort of "journalistic" output from the BBC day-in-day out, I read it as a propaganda piece by the BBC designed to support their agenda.
- dm319 9y ago
  Not everyone is capable of keeping up with modern life, being responsible for bills, payments, admin, forms etc.. particularly if it is made deliberately convoluted, or if there is a concurrent medical issue.

gbuk2013 9y ago

There are many people like that, now what?