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You are allowed to express your opinion but if you want others to take it seriously make some good points. There is no need for a history lesson, you can shou

by sumedh 9y ago

You are allowed to express your opinion but if you want others to take it seriously make some good points. There is no need for a history lesson, you can shout about Xerox all you want but in the end It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular.

zamalek 9y ago
> It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular. This is also not true, Microsoft made it pervasive: between 1996 and 2017 MacOS has only ever peaked at roughly 10-15% market share. It is during this period that the market cap of computer users increased from millions (which can hardly be called "popular") to billions. This is also shifting the goal posts. Your original comment had absolutely nothing to do with "who made UI popular."
- sumedh 9y ago
  Looks someone does not like constructive feedback and instead tries to attack others. Apple made a deal with Xerox and refined the UI while MS came in as pirate and did the rest. Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. MS does not do design while Apple does that is the point. Do you get it now or are you still going to attack me?
  - zamalek 9y ago
    > Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. Windows Mobile was definitely not a copy of the first iPhone.[1] I already pointed out that it was, in fact, Apple who took inspiration from Metro - which was the first iteration of the modern flat UI. [1]: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20160325_0002.png https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20...
    - sumedh 9y ago
      Are you saying that Apple copied Windows Mobile UI for its first Iphone?
      - zamalek 9y ago
        No, for its fourth or fifth or thereabouts? It happened years after Metro, as did Google Material Design (a fantastic improvement to the platform).
        sumedh 9y ago
        So others copied Apple's first Iphone UI. Now do you get it or are you still going to argue about this?
        zamalek 9y ago
        I give up.
        wor3q 9y ago
        You mean app drawer with icons, which Nokia 7650 had in 2003? Or touch only operated interface from Motorola a1000 from 2004? And those are not by any means first phones in each category.
        sumedh 9y ago
        and where are those companies today?
        wor3q 9y ago
        And why does it matter? Apple just ripped off their design, period.
        sumedh 9y ago
        It matters because it took Apple to show the world how to do it properly.
        wor3q 9y ago
        No they didn't. What they did is show the world how to create a marketing campaign. They took it to the point when people thought that Apple invented 3g when iPhone 3g went out, when it was on market for almost 10 years, and it was an update to what everyone else had already. iPhone was way behind Symbian and Windows mobile at date of launch. It didn't even have multitasking... Also, use some arguments instead of switching topic every reply.

by sumedh 9y ago

zamalek 9y ago

> It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular. This is also not true, Microsoft made it pervasive: between 1996 and 2017 MacOS has only ever peaked at roughly 10-15% market share. It is during this period that the market cap of computer users increased from millions (which can hardly be called "popular") to billions. This is also shifting the goal posts. Your original comment had absolutely nothing to do with "who made UI popular."

sumedh 9y ago
Looks someone does not like constructive feedback and instead tries to attack others. Apple made a deal with Xerox and refined the UI while MS came in as pirate and did the rest. Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. MS does not do design while Apple does that is the point. Do you get it now or are you still going to attack me?
- zamalek 9y ago
  > Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. Windows Mobile was definitely not a copy of the first iPhone.[1] I already pointed out that it was, in fact, Apple who took inspiration from Metro - which was the first iteration of the modern flat UI. [1]: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20160325_0002.png https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20...
  - sumedh 9y ago
    Are you saying that Apple copied Windows Mobile UI for its first Iphone?
    - zamalek 9y ago
      No, for its fourth or fifth or thereabouts? It happened years after Metro, as did Google Material Design (a fantastic improvement to the platform).
      - sumedh 9y ago
        So others copied Apple's first Iphone UI. Now do you get it or are you still going to argue about this?
        zamalek 9y ago
        I give up.
        wor3q 9y ago
        You mean app drawer with icons, which Nokia 7650 had in 2003? Or touch only operated interface from Motorola a1000 from 2004? And those are not by any means first phones in each category.
        sumedh 9y ago
        and where are those companies today?
        wor3q 9y ago
        And why does it matter? Apple just ripped off their design, period.
        sumedh 9y ago
        It matters because it took Apple to show the world how to do it properly.
        wor3q 9y ago
        No they didn't. What they did is show the world how to create a marketing campaign. They took it to the point when people thought that Apple invented 3g when iPhone 3g went out, when it was on market for almost 10 years, and it was an update to what everyone else had already. iPhone was way behind Symbian and Windows mobile at date of launch. It didn't even have multitasking... Also, use some arguments instead of switching topic every reply.