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How is this: > People are used to how their phones work hating on iPhone? It's explaining why both parent comments don't share the same opinion. Everything el

How is this: > People are used to how their phones work hating on iPhone? It's explaining why both parent comments don't share the same opinion. Everything else I said was very explicitly subjective, am I not allowed to express that I don't like using something? > whole world copies Apple's UI That is absolutely false, outside of the Apple marketing machine. Everyone copied Xerox and UI subsequently evolved byways of everybody copying everyone else in one way or another. I've also yet to see an integrated menu on Windows or Linux (although I am sure there exists some exotic window manager that does it) - so there's one concept that hasn't been copied and is entirely invented. There's also the Office ribbon. The modern iteration of flat UIs was born of the Metro interface language, a Microsoft invention - this now features strongly on both macOS and iOS.

sumedh 9y ago
You are allowed to express your opinion but if you want others to take it seriously make some good points. There is no need for a history lesson, you can shout about Xerox all you want but in the end It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular.
- zamalek 9y ago
  > It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular. This is also not true, Microsoft made it pervasive: between 1996 and 2017 MacOS has only ever peaked at roughly 10-15% market share. It is during this period that the market cap of computer users increased from millions (which can hardly be called "popular") to billions. This is also shifting the goal posts. Your original comment had absolutely nothing to do with "who made UI popular."
  - sumedh 9y ago
    Looks someone does not like constructive feedback and instead tries to attack others. Apple made a deal with Xerox and refined the UI while MS came in as pirate and did the rest. Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. MS does not do design while Apple does that is the point. Do you get it now or are you still going to attack me?
    - zamalek 9y ago
      > Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. Windows Mobile was definitely not a copy of the first iPhone.[1] I already pointed out that it was, in fact, Apple who took inspiration from Metro - which was the first iteration of the modern flat UI. [1]: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20160325_0002.png https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20...
      - sumedh 9y ago
        Are you saying that Apple copied Windows Mobile UI for its first Iphone?
        zamalek 9y ago
        No, for its fourth or fifth or thereabouts? It happened years after Metro, as did Google Material Design (a fantastic improvement to the platform).
        sumedh 9y ago
        So others copied Apple's first Iphone UI. Now do you get it or are you still going to argue about this?
        zamalek 9y ago
        I give up.
        wor3q 9y ago
        You mean app drawer with icons, which Nokia 7650 had in 2003? Or touch only operated interface from Motorola a1000 from 2004? And those are not by any means first phones in each category.
        sumedh 9y ago
        and where are those companies today?

sumedh 9y ago

You are allowed to express your opinion but if you want others to take it seriously make some good points. There is no need for a history lesson, you can shout about Xerox all you want but in the end It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular.

zamalek 9y ago
> It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular. This is also not true, Microsoft made it pervasive: between 1996 and 2017 MacOS has only ever peaked at roughly 10-15% market share. It is during this period that the market cap of computer users increased from millions (which can hardly be called "popular") to billions. This is also shifting the goal posts. Your original comment had absolutely nothing to do with "who made UI popular."
- sumedh 9y ago
  Looks someone does not like constructive feedback and instead tries to attack others. Apple made a deal with Xerox and refined the UI while MS came in as pirate and did the rest. Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. MS does not do design while Apple does that is the point. Do you get it now or are you still going to attack me?
  - zamalek 9y ago
    > Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone. Windows Mobile was definitely not a copy of the first iPhone.[1] I already pointed out that it was, in fact, Apple who took inspiration from Metro - which was the first iteration of the modern flat UI. [1]: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20160325_0002.png https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20...
    - sumedh 9y ago
      Are you saying that Apple copied Windows Mobile UI for its first Iphone?
      - zamalek 9y ago
        No, for its fourth or fifth or thereabouts? It happened years after Metro, as did Google Material Design (a fantastic improvement to the platform).
        sumedh 9y ago
        So others copied Apple's first Iphone UI. Now do you get it or are you still going to argue about this?
        zamalek 9y ago
        I give up.
        wor3q 9y ago
        You mean app drawer with icons, which Nokia 7650 had in 2003? Or touch only operated interface from Motorola a1000 from 2004? And those are not by any means first phones in each category.
        sumedh 9y ago
        and where are those companies today?