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I'm pointing out that the demand for housing in any city is elastic; if you house the current 6,000 homeless without addressing the systemic problems, more arri

I'm pointing out that the demand for housing in any city is elastic; if you house the current 6,000 homeless without addressing the systemic problems, more arrive to take their place and you're back where you started. Rich European countries which have solved this problem don't do it by putting all the homeless in Paris or Berlin. They're distributed throughout urban, suburban, and rural areas of the country, which is what we need to do.

cheriot 9y ago
There's cheaper housing outside of cities already and it doesn't solve the problem. Only housing near economic opportunity means anything. It's cities that have the jobs and make policies that drive up the cost of housing. There's much that can be done at the city level.
- racer-v 9y ago
  It sounds like you haven't really gotten to know many homeless people. If you did, you'd realize that what they typically need is not a job but something more like basic income - food and shelter, which can be more easily provided in a place that's not the most expensive city in America.
  - cheriot 9y ago
    If you want to see what cheap housing and food without economic opportunity go to rural West Virginia. It doesn't work well. The first steps you describe need to be followed by incorporating people back into the economy.
    - racer-v 9y ago
      The natural tendency of a competitive (capitalist) economy is to exclude a subset of people. The "economy" is the cause of homelessness, not the solution. The solution has to come from outside the economy.
      - cheriot 9y ago
        Economics is how we allocate scarce resources. Outside the economy is where people go when their theory needs to ignore how shit works.
        racer-v 9y ago
        My meaning was outside the capitalist system of exchanging services for goods. Many, many people need goods and have no meaningful services to exchange. The idea that we need to cram all of these people in the most dense and expensive centers of capitalist activity is ludicrous and harmful.

cheriot 9y ago

There's cheaper housing outside of cities already and it doesn't solve the problem. Only housing near economic opportunity means anything. It's cities that have the jobs and make policies that drive up the cost of housing. There's much that can be done at the city level.

racer-v 9y ago
It sounds like you haven't really gotten to know many homeless people. If you did, you'd realize that what they typically need is not a job but something more like basic income - food and shelter, which can be more easily provided in a place that's not the most expensive city in America.
- cheriot 9y ago
  If you want to see what cheap housing and food without economic opportunity go to rural West Virginia. It doesn't work well. The first steps you describe need to be followed by incorporating people back into the economy.
  - racer-v 9y ago
    The natural tendency of a competitive (capitalist) economy is to exclude a subset of people. The "economy" is the cause of homelessness, not the solution. The solution has to come from outside the economy.
    - cheriot 9y ago
      Economics is how we allocate scarce resources. Outside the economy is where people go when their theory needs to ignore how shit works.
      - racer-v 9y ago
        My meaning was outside the capitalist system of exchanging services for goods. Many, many people need goods and have no meaningful services to exchange. The idea that we need to cram all of these people in the most dense and expensive centers of capitalist activity is ludicrous and harmful.