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By the city's 2017 San Francisco Homeless Count & Survey, most either were already homeless when then arrived in the city (31%) or became homeless after being h
by racer-v 9y ago
By the city's 2017 San Francisco Homeless Count &
Survey, most either were already homeless when then arrived in the city (31%) or became homeless after being here less than 10 years (another 31%, see page 22).
http://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2017SanFrancisco-PIT-FINAL.pdf http://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2017SanFranc...
- cheriot 9y agoAn American citizen that's liven in SF for years is not an immigrant by any reasonable definition. This is an important distinction because people that emphasize homeless as "not being from here" often use it to justify inhumane policies.
- racer-v 9y agoThe claim is that homeless (and borderline homeless) people are already attracted to San Francisco, and that making it more attractive isn't going to solve the problem while there are near-unlimited reserves of more homeless people in the rest of the country.
- rcpt 9y agoDo you have data suggesting that SF is in fact attracting homeless more than other cities?
- racer-v 9y agoAll cities attract homeless people to a greater or lesser extent. It's easier to blend in and live off the system's detritus in a large city than in a rural area or small town, if you don't have any friends or family willing to support you.
- cheriot 9y agoLet's be clear, you're arguing against data by waving your hands. Then using your "they're not from here" assertion to justify the city not dealing with the problem. Then suggesting that the Federal government should do this without talking about how that could possibly happen. What end game are you trying to get at?
- racer-v 9y agoI'm pointing out that the demand for housing in any city is elastic; if you house the current 6,000 homeless without addressing the systemic problems, more arrive to take their place and you're back where you started. Rich European countries which have solved this problem don't do it by putting all the homeless in Paris or Berlin. They're distributed throughout urban, suburban, and rural areas of the country, which is what we need to do.
- cheriot 9y agoThere's cheaper housing outside of cities already and it doesn't solve the problem. Only housing near economic opportunity means anything. It's cities that have the jobs and make policies that drive up the cost of housing. There's much that can be done at the city level.
- racer-v 9y agoIt sounds like you haven't really gotten to know many homeless people. If you did, you'd realize that what they typically need is not a job but something more like basic income - food and shelter, which can be more easily provided in a place that's not the most expensive city in America.
- cheriot 9y agoIf you want to see what cheap housing and food without economic opportunity go to rural West Virginia. It doesn't work well. The first steps you describe need to be followed by incorporating people back into the economy.
- mirimir 9y agoI'm not sure how one defines "already homeless" before arrival. Maybe something like "had been homeless before". But maybe they were hoping to do better in SF. But even so, from a sister post,[0] I get that 71% became homeless after moving to SF. So yes, it's arguable that ~30% of SF homeless are immigrants. I guess that they like the weather too. Still, deportation doesn't seem like a viable option. So 31% had were homele 0) http://sfist.com/2016/02/11/71_of_sf_homeless_once_had_homes_in.php http://sfist.com/2016/02/11/71_of_sf_homeless_once_had_homes...
- dragonwriter 9y ago> I'm not sure how one defines "already homeless" before arrival. Shipping homeless and/or mentally ill to other locations is a thing that's been done by a number of jurisdictions, more than once over an extended period of time with San Francisco as the destination.
- mirimir 9y agoReally? They do that? Because hey, they won't freeze to death there? So which jurisdictions do that? Do they give them bus fare?
- dragonwriter 9y agoThe most recent widely publicized example was the State of Nevada, specifically, the state-operated Rawson Neal Psychiatric Hospital in Las Vegas.
- mirimir 9y agoIndeed: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/editorials/sdut-nevada-disgraceful-greyhound-therapy-2015oct12-story.html http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/editorials/sdut-... But hey, SF does it too. And many other cities: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/...
- euyyn 9y agoShit, I've been here 6 years already and don't consider myself an immigrant.