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> You may ask, “Who cares what some dad from a flyover state or some businessman from another country thinks of us?” Do people really ask that? I'm sure they d

> You may ask, “Who cares what some dad from a flyover state or some businessman from another country thinks of us?” Do people really ask that? I'm sure they do, but the lack of respect for the "fly-over states" from America never fails to surprise me.

jstewartmobile 9y ago
The anti-redstater bot is still in R&D. https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/13/security-robots-are-being-used-to-ward-off-san-franciscos-homeless-population/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/13/security-robots-are-being-...
dionidium 9y ago
Do you spend much time on Hacker News? Such opinions are expressed here regularly. More seriously, it's not unusual to see, say, Florida casually compared to, say, Eastern Europe without any sense of how absurdly one-sided such comparisons actually are (e.g. on measures like GDP, standard of living, number of jobs, etc). Opinions are opinions. That's fine. But what I find as a Missourian living in NYC is that people on the coasts (who didn't move there from somewhere else) are largely ignorant of important factual properties of the South and the Midwest. It's not uncommon to see someone off by an order of magnitude about, say, GDP or population or whatever (expressed with extreme confidence, of course).
- dylanh 9y ago
  I'm from Florida -- and have deep roots going back more than 100 years. Florida is significantly less developed than it has any right to be, on a range of measures.
  - dionidium 9y ago
    Yes, that's right. It's well into the bottom half of U.S. states by GDP per capita, which still puts it at around 4-5x the GDP per capita in most Eastern European countries (which was my point). The United States is ridiculously wealthy, even in places Americans love to denigrate. That's worth remembering whenever you feel like comparing Florida unfavorably to this or that other place.
    - maym86 9y ago
      GDP isn't really a great measure of how well a population is doing if inequality is high and wages are stagnant for low paid workers. Florida has one of the highest levels of inequality in the US and the US in general had more inequality than most European countries. Are the working poor in the south really that much better off than most of Europe where healthcare and social housing are more readily available? GDP alone is a bad measure of success for individuals living somewhere if the benefits are not shared.
- jtmcmc 9y ago
  I think many of the people that live in major coastal cities that have extremely negative opinions of the rest of the country often lived in those places prior to moving there.
stevenwoo 9y ago
The rest of the paragraph in the article explains exactly why one should listen to outsiders.
louprado 9y ago
Honestly, I have only heard the term fly-over states when someone is mocking how liberals hypothetically mock red states.

jstewartmobile 9y ago

The anti-redstater bot is still in R&D. https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/13/security-robots-are-being-used-to-ward-off-san-franciscos-homeless-population/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/13/security-robots-are-being-...

dionidium 9y ago

Do you spend much time on Hacker News? Such opinions are expressed here regularly. More seriously, it's not unusual to see, say, Florida casually compared to, say, Eastern Europe without any sense of how absurdly one-sided such comparisons actually are (e.g. on measures like GDP, standard of living, number of jobs, etc). Opinions are opinions. That's fine. But what I find as a Missourian living in NYC is that people on the coasts (who didn't move there from somewhere else) are largely ignorant of important factual properties of the South and the Midwest. It's not uncommon to see someone off by an order of magnitude about, say, GDP or population or whatever (expressed with extreme confidence, of course).

dylanh 9y ago
I'm from Florida -- and have deep roots going back more than 100 years. Florida is significantly less developed than it has any right to be, on a range of measures.
- dionidium 9y ago
  Yes, that's right. It's well into the bottom half of U.S. states by GDP per capita, which still puts it at around 4-5x the GDP per capita in most Eastern European countries (which was my point). The United States is ridiculously wealthy, even in places Americans love to denigrate. That's worth remembering whenever you feel like comparing Florida unfavorably to this or that other place.
  - maym86 9y ago
    GDP isn't really a great measure of how well a population is doing if inequality is high and wages are stagnant for low paid workers. Florida has one of the highest levels of inequality in the US and the US in general had more inequality than most European countries. Are the working poor in the south really that much better off than most of Europe where healthcare and social housing are more readily available? GDP alone is a bad measure of success for individuals living somewhere if the benefits are not shared.
jtmcmc 9y ago
I think many of the people that live in major coastal cities that have extremely negative opinions of the rest of the country often lived in those places prior to moving there.

stevenwoo 9y ago

The rest of the paragraph in the article explains exactly why one should listen to outsiders.

louprado 9y ago

Honestly, I have only heard the term fly-over states when someone is mocking how liberals hypothetically mock red states.