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Super disappointed in this part of it. Is anyone else aware/familiar with a decent immutable lightweight Linux distro like Container Linux?

zapita 9y ago
Linuxkit: https://github.com/linuxkit/linuxkit https://github.com/linuxkit/linuxkit
pierrebeaucamp 9y ago
If you're looking for immutability, I can recommend NixOS. However what is drawing me to container Linux is mainly its update process
- flowless 9y ago
  +1 We've also built https://github.com/vpsfreecz/vpsadminos https://github.com/vpsfreecz/vpsadminos recently which is based on not-os / NixOS
- chrissnell 9y ago
  The draw of CoreOS Linux for me is its curated pairing of the Linux kernel, Docker, and etcd. There was a commercial entity reviewing upstream changelogs and making sure that they were pairing components appropriately. I wonder if an non-commercial district can really get this right.
  - zapita 9y ago
    Take a look at Linuxkit by Docker: https://github.com/linuxkit/linuxkit https://github.com/linuxkit/linuxkit . I didn't develop it, but I use it indirectly via Docker for Mac, which I use a lot. The latest version supports Kubernetes. This means Docker commercially maintains a Linux/Docker/Kubernetes stack that needs to run reliably on what I think is a very large install base. They have open-sourced the system they use for this, it's called Linuxkit and it's a very cool, underrated project.
- manishjhawar 9y ago
  +1 too :-) I'm using NixOS happily since 2014 after getting messed up in pacman dependencies on Arch and haven't looked back. But their too radical shift from LSB makes for a less attractive enterprise story. Hopefully GuixSD[1] can plug that hole due to the GNU brand as it has been progressing nicely. [1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/
  - FreedomWarrior 9y ago
    GuixSD is just as disconnected from the Linux Standard Base as NixOS.
SEJeff 9y ago
Fedora / CentOS Atomic, which is Redhat's "clone" of container linux.
- emmelaich 9y ago
  Atomic (or at least OStree) predates ContainerLinux by quite a bit. Also Atomic is more than just an OS; it's a system of reliable upgrades / versions switching. So it's got something in common with NixOS.
  - alexandre_m 9y ago
    Atomic doesn't predate CoreOS. CoreOS = 2013 Atomic host = 2014
    - audidude 9y ago
      OSTree (the foundation for it) was built as part of GNOME Continuous in 2011.
      - alexandre_m 9y ago
        Absolutely. But Atomic was architected as containers infrastructure and is/was a direct competitor to CoreOS and other lightweight container OSes.
        audidude 9y ago
        It might appear that way to people that weren't involved in the history, but a lot of it was based on ideas learned from stateless linux, circa 2004. People in the desktop team had been working on read-only root OS's for a long time, and it was only at a certain point that RH management bought off on forming a product/spin. But to say that work only started once Atomic was a thing would be inaccurate. It's probably fair to say that ChromeOS/CoreOS lit a match under some upper management though.
      - SEJeff 9y ago
dgellow 9y ago
RancherOS: http://rancher.com/rancher-os/ http://rancher.com/rancher-os/
- mdekkers 9y ago
  Rancher is awesome. As was CoreOS, and I am really pissed RH bought them out. RH manage to break everything they touch.
piaste 9y ago
Intel's Clear Linux is yet another option.
StreamBright 9y ago
Alpine for sure.
vitorgrs 9y ago
There's Alpine Linux. https://www.alpinelinux.org/ https://www.alpinelinux.org/

zapita 9y ago

Linuxkit: https://github.com/linuxkit/linuxkit https://github.com/linuxkit/linuxkit

pierrebeaucamp 9y ago

If you're looking for immutability, I can recommend NixOS. However what is drawing me to container Linux is mainly its update process

flowless 9y ago
+1 We've also built https://github.com/vpsfreecz/vpsadminos https://github.com/vpsfreecz/vpsadminos recently which is based on not-os / NixOS
chrissnell 9y ago
The draw of CoreOS Linux for me is its curated pairing of the Linux kernel, Docker, and etcd. There was a commercial entity reviewing upstream changelogs and making sure that they were pairing components appropriately. I wonder if an non-commercial district can really get this right.
- zapita 9y ago
  Take a look at Linuxkit by Docker: https://github.com/linuxkit/linuxkit https://github.com/linuxkit/linuxkit . I didn't develop it, but I use it indirectly via Docker for Mac, which I use a lot. The latest version supports Kubernetes. This means Docker commercially maintains a Linux/Docker/Kubernetes stack that needs to run reliably on what I think is a very large install base. They have open-sourced the system they use for this, it's called Linuxkit and it's a very cool, underrated project.
manishjhawar 9y ago
+1 too :-) I'm using NixOS happily since 2014 after getting messed up in pacman dependencies on Arch and haven't looked back. But their too radical shift from LSB makes for a less attractive enterprise story. Hopefully GuixSD[1] can plug that hole due to the GNU brand as it has been progressing nicely. [1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/
- FreedomWarrior 9y ago
  GuixSD is just as disconnected from the Linux Standard Base as NixOS.

SEJeff 9y ago

Fedora / CentOS Atomic, which is Redhat's "clone" of container linux.

emmelaich 9y ago
Atomic (or at least OStree) predates ContainerLinux by quite a bit. Also Atomic is more than just an OS; it's a system of reliable upgrades / versions switching. So it's got something in common with NixOS.
- alexandre_m 9y ago
  Atomic doesn't predate CoreOS. CoreOS = 2013 Atomic host = 2014
  - audidude 9y ago
    OSTree (the foundation for it) was built as part of GNOME Continuous in 2011.
    - alexandre_m 9y ago
      Absolutely. But Atomic was architected as containers infrastructure and is/was a direct competitor to CoreOS and other lightweight container OSes.
      - audidude 9y ago
        It might appear that way to people that weren't involved in the history, but a lot of it was based on ideas learned from stateless linux, circa 2004. People in the desktop team had been working on read-only root OS's for a long time, and it was only at a certain point that RH management bought off on forming a product/spin. But to say that work only started once Atomic was a thing would be inaccurate. It's probably fair to say that ChromeOS/CoreOS lit a match under some upper management though.
    - SEJeff 9y ago

dgellow 9y ago

RancherOS: http://rancher.com/rancher-os/ http://rancher.com/rancher-os/

mdekkers 9y ago
Rancher is awesome. As was CoreOS, and I am really pissed RH bought them out. RH manage to break everything they touch.

piaste 9y ago

Intel's Clear Linux is yet another option.

StreamBright 9y ago

Alpine for sure.

vitorgrs 9y ago

There's Alpine Linux. https://www.alpinelinux.org/ https://www.alpinelinux.org/