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That's not really how it works. The "ever increasing" pie would have to come directly from increasing subscriber premiums, not from cutting costs and pocketing

That's not really how it works. The "ever increasing" pie would have to come directly from increasing subscriber premiums, not from cutting costs and pocketing the difference the OP indicated. It doesn't matter how much they play with pricing on the back end, the company can't make more than 20% profit from subscriber premiums.

kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
There is a whole lot of backscratching with the profiteers taking their cut of the 80%. That is why we get $30 Tylenol pills under the guise of "care".
- learc83 9y ago
  Hospitals aren't charging insurance companies $30 for Tylenol and then paying insurance companies under the table if that's what you're alleging. That's completely illegal and it's just too noticeable for them to do it large scale. The OP was making a baseless claim because they didn't know what they were talking about, and you're now grasping at straws supporting their claim for some reason.
  - kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
    None of the stakeholders in American for-profit healthcare have any incentive to reduce costs so everything just keeps ratcheting up. Growth can't be achieved by increasing the population of sick people so the only other option is to raise prices. The insurance companies do benefit from this. They agree to cover the inflated pricing so that their 20% cut can be bigger. If ACA permitted rational price controls this whole problem would have been reigned in.
    - learc83 9y ago
      How does this have anything to do with >I think they're just pocketing the difference between the market rate and what their costs are. The OP had made a very specific claim about Kaiser. That Kaiser is reducing their costs but pocketing the savings and not passing them on to consumers. I pointed out that there is no legal way for them to do that. You've made 3 posts and so far nothing you've said in anyway refutes that.

kevin_thibedeau 9y ago

There is a whole lot of backscratching with the profiteers taking their cut of the 80%. That is why we get $30 Tylenol pills under the guise of "care".

learc83 9y ago
Hospitals aren't charging insurance companies $30 for Tylenol and then paying insurance companies under the table if that's what you're alleging. That's completely illegal and it's just too noticeable for them to do it large scale. The OP was making a baseless claim because they didn't know what they were talking about, and you're now grasping at straws supporting their claim for some reason.
- kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
  None of the stakeholders in American for-profit healthcare have any incentive to reduce costs so everything just keeps ratcheting up. Growth can't be achieved by increasing the population of sick people so the only other option is to raise prices. The insurance companies do benefit from this. They agree to cover the inflated pricing so that their 20% cut can be bigger. If ACA permitted rational price controls this whole problem would have been reigned in.
  - learc83 9y ago
    How does this have anything to do with >I think they're just pocketing the difference between the market rate and what their costs are. The OP had made a very specific claim about Kaiser. That Kaiser is reducing their costs but pocketing the savings and not passing them on to consumers. I pointed out that there is no legal way for them to do that. You've made 3 posts and so far nothing you've said in anyway refutes that.