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What do you guys think of a solution where the driverless leg of the trip is also passengerless. In v1 of the system the passenger is required to have a license

by mentos 9y ago

What do you guys think of a solution where the driverless leg of the trip is also passengerless. In v1 of the system the passenger is required to have a license and will follow route guidance from the car to navigate to their destination. After arrival the car will return to autonomous mode and take much safer precautions to the next customer.

maxerickson 9y ago
Is the cautious mode going to obstruct traffic or something? Or are you saying that exposing other people to risk is okay and exposing users of the service is not? If the autonomous system can't operate in a way that passengers would be comfortable with I don't see why it should be allowed on the roads at all.
dabeeeenster 9y ago
If you're worried about them not being safe enough, why not just drive them around endlessly without people being in them?
tinalumfoil 9y ago
I don't think that would work. First, nobody wants to drive a taxi. Unless it was really cheap most people would just get a lyft and not worry about following guidance from their taxi. Second, most of the people at risk of dying from a malfunctioning self driving car will be people outside the car. Third, how are you going to convince regulators your car is safe if you're making concessions like that? The government is a slow beuracracy and won't take kindly to halfway solutions that will force them to do things over once things are actually ready. And as pessimistic as I'm being, I don't think its that bad of an idea. I just wouldn't put my money on it.
jameshart 9y ago
I am picturing your conversation with the insurance company: “So in autonomous mode, the car takes many precautions, so it is really safe” “Sounds good. So why do you want to let the customer drive?” “Because they will be less cautious” “I am raising your premiums”
andygates 9y ago
Why more cautious? Good enough driving should be good enough. Empty driving seems inevitable in any use-case except "my precious". Fleets, yes. Deliveries, yes. Go pick up the kids, yes.
zerostar07 9y ago
more likely, instead of safer precautions, it will take much longer, lower traffic routes.
kuschku 9y ago
That's a great idea if you only care about passengers, but a horrible idea for the pedestrians crossing the roads.
Balgair 9y ago
As they loaded Kayleigh Hutschins, age 36, onto the stretcher, it waited. Rick was a new EMT. He just got his certs about 3 weeks ago. He was told of the 'shadows' in classes. But seeing one was still a bit un-nerving. Daniel, the more veteran EMT was marking the time, but knew there was no rush to get to the hospital. 'Yeah, they freaked me out at first too' Daniel said into the ambulance's sterile white lights, he looked back at the freshie. 'They go all the way to the hospital, right behind us, yeah?' Rick wondered if the stories were true. 'Yeah, as long as her credit card still works, it'll be right on our ass' 'What happens then? When we get to the back door?' 'Follow us right in, thank God John Muir's not a blind road and has an exit. UCSF just has a loading dock, damn things block us in all the time and we have to call SFPD to get em moved out of the way.' 'How long do they stay for?' 'In the parking lot? They'll stay until her card is cancelled or the family does something. Homelanders like y'all can't pinch two nickels, so the family'll likely never contact the card company cus they'll hound them for years about her debts.' Rick looked at her glowing green fingernails, perfectly manicured. 'After 30 days John Muir or the other hospitals just calls the car company and gets them to move. All at once. It's a laugh riot.' As they loaded her into the bay, the shadow inched forward the exact same amount.
- shostack 9y ago
  What's this from?
  - Balgair 9y ago
    Aiden was bouncing around with Peppa Pig singing songs. The grass was green and he was in the iPad too! So much fun Aiden and Peppa! Wee! But then Aiden was awake. The softness under the nylon of his car seat smelled good, like rain on Daddy's driveway. All Aiden could see was darkness and the blue and orange glow of the car. It was night now. They weren't at Daddy's anymore, but he wasn't at Mommy's house yet either. There were noises outside, a man's voice, deep. Not Daddy's. Aiden was confused. Aiden was scared The front door opened. The man got in, well, he more fell in. Aiden was very scared. Where is Mommy? Where is anyone? The man smelled strange too, like Uncle Greg. That bread-like smell when Uncle Greg drank Parent's Soda. Aiden was so scared. He just wanted to be back with his iPad dancing with Peppa! Aiden started to scream and cry! Mommy! Peppa! 'Aw fuck, therhss a kidh n thsss fuckher!' The man tried to say, but his mouth sounded like it was full of drool or sand. He smelled really bad now. Aiden kept screaming for Mommy. Hot tears and snot. The man turned around, his eyes were red and poofy. His hair was stringy and he was sweating a lot. He looked at Aiden but his eyes kept drifting and he kept tilting his head. 'Ssssshhhhhhh. sssalll right kiddao. Weell get ya basck hhhome. S'll call the Pawlice nn get sha basck to yer Mawmy' The man slurred a lot and got back out of the car. The man slumped down on the side of the car and took out his phone, Aiden could see over the side of his carseat. He was so scared. Where was Mommy? Who is this man? After a long time of crying for Mommy flashing lights came by the car. The blue and red colors were so bright. The man stood up and went over to the lights, but fell down a lot. A police lady came to the car and opened it after talking to the man. 'You ok, sugar? How are you feeling.' Aiden looked at her, this wasn't Mommy. 'It's ok now sugar, your Mommy is coming real quick, OK? Were you on the way from your Daddy's to Mommy's?' Aiden nodded and gripped the belts of his carseat tighter.

by mentos 9y ago

maxerickson 9y ago

Is the cautious mode going to obstruct traffic or something? Or are you saying that exposing other people to risk is okay and exposing users of the service is not? If the autonomous system can't operate in a way that passengers would be comfortable with I don't see why it should be allowed on the roads at all.

dabeeeenster 9y ago

If you're worried about them not being safe enough, why not just drive them around endlessly without people being in them?

tinalumfoil 9y ago

I don't think that would work. First, nobody wants to drive a taxi. Unless it was really cheap most people would just get a lyft and not worry about following guidance from their taxi. Second, most of the people at risk of dying from a malfunctioning self driving car will be people outside the car. Third, how are you going to convince regulators your car is safe if you're making concessions like that? The government is a slow beuracracy and won't take kindly to halfway solutions that will force them to do things over once things are actually ready. And as pessimistic as I'm being, I don't think its that bad of an idea. I just wouldn't put my money on it.

jameshart 9y ago

I am picturing your conversation with the insurance company: “So in autonomous mode, the car takes many precautions, so it is really safe” “Sounds good. So why do you want to let the customer drive?” “Because they will be less cautious” “I am raising your premiums”

andygates 9y ago

Why more cautious? Good enough driving should be good enough. Empty driving seems inevitable in any use-case except "my precious". Fleets, yes. Deliveries, yes. Go pick up the kids, yes.

zerostar07 9y ago

more likely, instead of safer precautions, it will take much longer, lower traffic routes.

kuschku 9y ago

That's a great idea if you only care about passengers, but a horrible idea for the pedestrians crossing the roads.

Balgair 9y ago

As they loaded Kayleigh Hutschins, age 36, onto the stretcher, it waited. Rick was a new EMT. He just got his certs about 3 weeks ago. He was told of the 'shadows' in classes. But seeing one was still a bit un-nerving. Daniel, the more veteran EMT was marking the time, but knew there was no rush to get to the hospital. 'Yeah, they freaked me out at first too' Daniel said into the ambulance's sterile white lights, he looked back at the freshie. 'They go all the way to the hospital, right behind us, yeah?' Rick wondered if the stories were true. 'Yeah, as long as her credit card still works, it'll be right on our ass' 'What happens then? When we get to the back door?' 'Follow us right in, thank God John Muir's not a blind road and has an exit. UCSF just has a loading dock, damn things block us in all the time and we have to call SFPD to get em moved out of the way.' 'How long do they stay for?' 'In the parking lot? They'll stay until her card is cancelled or the family does something. Homelanders like y'all can't pinch two nickels, so the family'll likely never contact the card company cus they'll hound them for years about her debts.' Rick looked at her glowing green fingernails, perfectly manicured. 'After 30 days John Muir or the other hospitals just calls the car company and gets them to move. All at once. It's a laugh riot.' As they loaded her into the bay, the shadow inched forward the exact same amount.

shostack 9y ago
What's this from?
- Balgair 9y ago
  Aiden was bouncing around with Peppa Pig singing songs. The grass was green and he was in the iPad too! So much fun Aiden and Peppa! Wee! But then Aiden was awake. The softness under the nylon of his car seat smelled good, like rain on Daddy's driveway. All Aiden could see was darkness and the blue and orange glow of the car. It was night now. They weren't at Daddy's anymore, but he wasn't at Mommy's house yet either. There were noises outside, a man's voice, deep. Not Daddy's. Aiden was confused. Aiden was scared The front door opened. The man got in, well, he more fell in. Aiden was very scared. Where is Mommy? Where is anyone? The man smelled strange too, like Uncle Greg. That bread-like smell when Uncle Greg drank Parent's Soda. Aiden was so scared. He just wanted to be back with his iPad dancing with Peppa! Aiden started to scream and cry! Mommy! Peppa! 'Aw fuck, therhss a kidh n thsss fuckher!' The man tried to say, but his mouth sounded like it was full of drool or sand. He smelled really bad now. Aiden kept screaming for Mommy. Hot tears and snot. The man turned around, his eyes were red and poofy. His hair was stringy and he was sweating a lot. He looked at Aiden but his eyes kept drifting and he kept tilting his head. 'Ssssshhhhhhh. sssalll right kiddao. Weell get ya basck hhhome. S'll call the Pawlice nn get sha basck to yer Mawmy' The man slurred a lot and got back out of the car. The man slumped down on the side of the car and took out his phone, Aiden could see over the side of his carseat. He was so scared. Where was Mommy? Who is this man? After a long time of crying for Mommy flashing lights came by the car. The blue and red colors were so bright. The man stood up and went over to the lights, but fell down a lot. A police lady came to the car and opened it after talking to the man. 'You ok, sugar? How are you feeling.' Aiden looked at her, this wasn't Mommy. 'It's ok now sugar, your Mommy is coming real quick, OK? Were you on the way from your Daddy's to Mommy's?' Aiden nodded and gripped the belts of his carseat tighter.