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What about https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/01/gchq-europe-spy-agencies-mass-surveillance-snowden https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/01/gc

by iand 9y ago

What about https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/01/gchq-europe-spy-agencies-mass-surveillance-snowden https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/01/gchq-europe-... On your second point, industrial espionage is, I suspect, a large factor in determining which countries should be spied on. Does anyone really think that Boeing doesn't get competitor info from US agencies?

simias 9y ago
Right, but that's my point. Your article is about the USA spying on European citizens (with the complicity of the UK) and the governments of these countries complained (at least publicly): >The German, French and Spanish governments have reacted angrily to reports based on National Security Agency (NSA) files leaked by Snowden since June, revealing the interception of communications by tens of millions of their citizens each month. The parent was saying that European countries are complicit and actually want the USA to spy on their citizens so that they can recover the intelligence indirectly. >Does anyone really think that Boeing doesn't get competitor info from US agencies? Not me at least, which is exactly why I don't expect that the french and german governments for instance to be perfectly fine with the USA spying on Airbus's employees for instance.
- iand 9y ago
  From http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/15/world/emerging-role-for-the-cia-economic-spy.html http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/15/world/emerging-role-for-th... > Spying on allies for economic advantage is a crucial new assignment for the C.I.A. now that American foreign policy is focused on commercial interests abroad. President Clinton made economic intelligence a high priority of his Administration, specifically information to protect and defend American competitiveness, technology and financial security in a world where an economic crisis can spread across global markets in minutes. Or, more recently, from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/25907502 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/25907502 >US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden has alleged the National Security Agency engaged in industrial espionage. >In an interview with Germany's ARD TV channel, the former NSA contractor said the agency would spy on big German companies that competed with US firms. And the US spying on trade talk negotiations from https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/26/germany-eu-us-trade-nsa https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/26/germany-eu-us-... >Der Spiegel said files obtained by whistleblower Edward Snowden showed that the NSA spied on the EU in New York after it moved to new rooms in autumn 2012 and that the NSA runs a bugging programme in more than 80 embassies and consulates worldwide called the "Special Collection Service", which has "little or nothing to do with warding off terrorists" Other countries too, such as France, from http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1993/Espionage-Takes-Toll-On-Air-Show-U-S-Firms-On-Guard/id-4206823c63d58fd956f26fd5efc9a777 http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1993/Espionage-Takes-Toll-On-Ai... > Gone are the Cold War days when one Soviet agent reportedly tried to stick a gyroscope in his pocket during one trade fair. But a Russian spy official and a former chief of French intelligence said in recent interviews that that their agents were involved in industrial espionage.

by iand 9y ago

simias 9y ago

Right, but that's my point. Your article is about the USA spying on European citizens (with the complicity of the UK) and the governments of these countries complained (at least publicly): >The German, French and Spanish governments have reacted angrily to reports based on National Security Agency (NSA) files leaked by Snowden since June, revealing the interception of communications by tens of millions of their citizens each month. The parent was saying that European countries are complicit and actually want the USA to spy on their citizens so that they can recover the intelligence indirectly. >Does anyone really think that Boeing doesn't get competitor info from US agencies? Not me at least, which is exactly why I don't expect that the french and german governments for instance to be perfectly fine with the USA spying on Airbus's employees for instance.

iand 9y ago
From http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/15/world/emerging-role-for-the-cia-economic-spy.html http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/15/world/emerging-role-for-th... > Spying on allies for economic advantage is a crucial new assignment for the C.I.A. now that American foreign policy is focused on commercial interests abroad. President Clinton made economic intelligence a high priority of his Administration, specifically information to protect and defend American competitiveness, technology and financial security in a world where an economic crisis can spread across global markets in minutes. Or, more recently, from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/25907502 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/25907502 >US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden has alleged the National Security Agency engaged in industrial espionage. >In an interview with Germany's ARD TV channel, the former NSA contractor said the agency would spy on big German companies that competed with US firms. And the US spying on trade talk negotiations from https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/26/germany-eu-us-trade-nsa https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/26/germany-eu-us-... >Der Spiegel said files obtained by whistleblower Edward Snowden showed that the NSA spied on the EU in New York after it moved to new rooms in autumn 2012 and that the NSA runs a bugging programme in more than 80 embassies and consulates worldwide called the "Special Collection Service", which has "little or nothing to do with warding off terrorists" Other countries too, such as France, from http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1993/Espionage-Takes-Toll-On-Air-Show-U-S-Firms-On-Guard/id-4206823c63d58fd956f26fd5efc9a777 http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1993/Espionage-Takes-Toll-On-Ai... > Gone are the Cold War days when one Soviet agent reportedly tried to stick a gyroscope in his pocket during one trade fair. But a Russian spy official and a former chief of French intelligence said in recent interviews that that their agents were involved in industrial espionage.