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This is a good example to bring up when people talk about a digital bill of rights. It fundamentally shouldn't be so easy to undermine individual privacy and mi

This is a good example to bring up when people talk about a digital bill of rights. It fundamentally shouldn't be so easy to undermine individual privacy and military op sec, but when you allow private data to be shared recklessly, you get that.

maxerickson 9y ago
Individual privacy is the issue. Op sec is the military's problem.
- wallace_f 9y ago
  I agree, but what I'm saying is that it's not at all "advanced deanonymization" skills that's a problem. It's the default standars way we share data is capable of undermining privacy, and even military op sec, quite easily, that needs to be changed.
  - drstewart 9y ago
    Strava is opt-in, so I don't know what default standards you mean. You can track activities on other platforms that aren't designed to be social networks.
    - maxerickson 9y ago
      I think I haven't come to a conclusion about it, but I think it is more complicated than Strava just being opt-in. This op-ed makes the argument that it is difficult for users and even the companies offering services to fully understand the impact of their privacy choices: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/opinion/strava-privacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/opinion/strava-privacy.ht... A sort of concrete scenario here would be the app asking the user before uploading an activity and whether the user wants the activity and segments to be visible on the public parts of the service. Strava probably doesn't want to introduce that friction into their product, but maybe that is a better balance than having a setting allowing users to opt out.
      - contender_x 9y ago
        It's too complex, and to keep a govt/ site secure, you'd need every person who runs round it to keep their info locked down. I think Strava will end up having specific "national-state privacy zones" where no runs ever appear in heatmaps and segments cannot be created
      - radix07 9y ago
        There is a pretty accessible and obvious checkbox on every activity to make it private if you wish.
        wallace_f 9y ago
        Imagine every car accident was treated with the same attitude: "the car has breaks and a steering wheel so I don't know what your problem is." People make mistakes, do things by accident. If the conequences are this bad, we should question the standards which led us to them.

maxerickson 9y ago

Individual privacy is the issue. Op sec is the military's problem.

wallace_f 9y ago
I agree, but what I'm saying is that it's not at all "advanced deanonymization" skills that's a problem. It's the default standars way we share data is capable of undermining privacy, and even military op sec, quite easily, that needs to be changed.
- drstewart 9y ago
  Strava is opt-in, so I don't know what default standards you mean. You can track activities on other platforms that aren't designed to be social networks.
  - maxerickson 9y ago
    I think I haven't come to a conclusion about it, but I think it is more complicated than Strava just being opt-in. This op-ed makes the argument that it is difficult for users and even the companies offering services to fully understand the impact of their privacy choices: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/opinion/strava-privacy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/opinion/strava-privacy.ht... A sort of concrete scenario here would be the app asking the user before uploading an activity and whether the user wants the activity and segments to be visible on the public parts of the service. Strava probably doesn't want to introduce that friction into their product, but maybe that is a better balance than having a setting allowing users to opt out.
    - contender_x 9y ago
      It's too complex, and to keep a govt/ site secure, you'd need every person who runs round it to keep their info locked down. I think Strava will end up having specific "national-state privacy zones" where no runs ever appear in heatmaps and segments cannot be created
    - radix07 9y ago
      There is a pretty accessible and obvious checkbox on every activity to make it private if you wish.
      - wallace_f 9y ago
        Imagine every car accident was treated with the same attitude: "the car has breaks and a steering wheel so I don't know what your problem is." People make mistakes, do things by accident. If the conequences are this bad, we should question the standards which led us to them.