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Passive keyless entry is not remotely hackable, it's locally hackable, that's not scalable and besides which cars sold today (with very few exceptions) can not

Passive keyless entry is not remotely hackable, it's locally hackable, that's not scalable and besides which cars sold today (with very few exceptions) can not self drive, so even if you could remotely unlock it you'd still need someone local to drive away with it.

LinuxBender 9y ago
Numerous internet connected cars are remotely hackable and you can take over engine controls, steering, breaking. This was performed on live highways multiple times. DOT investigated at least one of the incidents involving some SUV's.
scribu 9y ago
You’re of course right about passive keyless entry and perhaps the GP has that confused with other features that do require an internet connection. Anyway, even if it isn’t autonomous, suppose a car has a smartphone app that allows you to turn on the heating before getting in. And then someone exploits that and gains control over the heating. They could then proceed to drain the batteries or the fuel tank by leaving it on over night, let’s say. Not exactly a threat to national security, but still a major inconvenience.
- newman8r 9y ago
  if you did it on the day of an election and only targeted your opposition, it could have an impact. It's far-fetched, but just another scenario.
  - socialist_coder 9y ago
    Genius!
- currymj 9y ago
  Not sure it was confusion, but rather intended as an example of how "high end" features spread to the bottom of the market quickly, such that in a few years nearly all new cars may be internet-connected.
- Slansitartop 9y ago
  > You’re of course right about passive keyless entry and perhaps the GP has that confused with other features that do require an internet connection. I did not confuse anything. I only mentioned passive keyless entry in a footnote, as an example of an insecure technology that you can't really avoid anymore. You still have a chance to avoid "connected car" features, but in my estimation the days are numbered for that.

LinuxBender 9y ago

Numerous internet connected cars are remotely hackable and you can take over engine controls, steering, breaking. This was performed on live highways multiple times. DOT investigated at least one of the incidents involving some SUV's.

scribu 9y ago

You’re of course right about passive keyless entry and perhaps the GP has that confused with other features that do require an internet connection. Anyway, even if it isn’t autonomous, suppose a car has a smartphone app that allows you to turn on the heating before getting in. And then someone exploits that and gains control over the heating. They could then proceed to drain the batteries or the fuel tank by leaving it on over night, let’s say. Not exactly a threat to national security, but still a major inconvenience.

newman8r 9y ago
if you did it on the day of an election and only targeted your opposition, it could have an impact. It's far-fetched, but just another scenario.
- socialist_coder 9y ago
  Genius!
currymj 9y ago
Not sure it was confusion, but rather intended as an example of how "high end" features spread to the bottom of the market quickly, such that in a few years nearly all new cars may be internet-connected.
Slansitartop 9y ago
> You’re of course right about passive keyless entry and perhaps the GP has that confused with other features that do require an internet connection. I did not confuse anything. I only mentioned passive keyless entry in a footnote, as an example of an insecure technology that you can't really avoid anymore. You still have a chance to avoid "connected car" features, but in my estimation the days are numbered for that.