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> He didn’t claim that “conflict is being better managed” or that “things are getting better,” Hang on, my reading of Pinker is that he claims exactly that. Ce
by Bartweiss 9y ago
> He didn’t claim that “conflict is being better managed” or that “things are getting better,”
Hang on, my reading of Pinker is that he claims exactly that. Certainly Gates thinks so: this post on Enlightenment Now is about "how and why the world is getting better"!
If I disagree with OP, it's only because Pinker directly addresses the growth of the legal system in Better Angels with his discussion of Leviathan. I certainly don't think it's irrelevant to Pinker's argument, since he explicitly lauds Hobbes and the rise of state power as a major factor in the decline of violence.
As for better access to justice, that's a vastly harder question, and largely one of definition. But yes, I'd be inclined to argue that the evolution of social structures has frequently traded off declining violence against rising injustice.
- resu_nimda 9y agoI am legitimately interested in understanding the arguments that support a view of rising injustice. My understanding is that, historically, justice has been pretty abysmal, and as bad as it may be right now, I am not aware of when and how it was any better. It’s certainly plausible but in the arguments here it does seem like “things are bad now” is being conflated with “things were better before.”