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(disclaimer: I work in a Climate and Energy R&D group) I just want to jump in here because these numbers are all strange. The author mixes units all over the
by chris_va 9y ago
(disclaimer: I work in a Climate and Energy R&D group)
I just want to jump in here because these numbers are all strange.
The author mixes units all over the place (e.g. MW vs MWh). The article confuses nameplate capacity and marginal cost. And there is no mention of capacity factor or dispatchability.
Very simply, the current state of the world:
- Renewable energy is getting more popular, and has zero marginal cost. That means they always sell to the grid, regardless of cost, and drive high variability in daily demand.
- Coal and nuclear have higher capital costs, and thus require 90%+ utilization to stay competative with natural gas. However, demand is low for a quarter the day now, so they are out. There is no saving coal, no matter how much political rhetorical goes into it, the economics do not work out.
- Renewables by themseles are not dispatchable. Do not confuse them with natural gas/coal/hydro/nuclear.
- Renewables+storage would be dispatchable (especially if you add HVDC to lower variability), and this gets us into the actual numbers from the article...
Lets do some math
Batteries currently cost about $150/kWh. That will continue to come down, but let's say we want to build a plant in the next 5 years, so maybe $100/kWh if we are really lucky.
For a 200MW dispatchable solar/wind plant, we'd have:
- ~25% capacity factor would be very optimistic (they aren't building in an ideal location in CO).
- That means 800MW of nameplate capacity to get an average of 200MW output.
- $1/W nameplate for solar these days => 800MW nameplate plant at $800M for just the solar.
- $100/kWh for batteries. Even if we only needed 24h of storage (though realistically you need more like 3 days), that means 200MW24h$150/kWh => $480M
=> Total plant cost is $1.28B, for 200MW of output, or $6400/kW.
Let's say we have
For 30 years, with a 5% rate of return on capital (3% over inflation), and a 1% O&M/y cost (this is really low, just to give it a fighting change, 3-6% is typical), that ends up as....
5.5 cents/kWh.
Which is way above natural gas (4 cents/kWh), so they'd never take it without federal subsidies.
Any bid below that isn't likely to be fully dispatchable, which makes it even less competative with natural gas, even if it is cheaper.
It's hard to compete with a low-capital cost power plant that has nearly free energy flowing out of a hole in the ground.
- philipkglass 9y agoI'd be very surprised if these bids came with more than 4 hours of storage. That's enough to prevent a California-style "duck curve" and to serve the early evening peak demand. It's also enough storage to severely dent the economics of new fossil peaker plants -- perhaps even those of already-built peakers. These solar + storage proposals are not 1:1 complete replacements for traditional dispatchable power. But with 4 hours of storage a solar plant can run for hours after sunset, serving the highest-demand period of the day (which is also the most lucrative period in deregulated electricity markets). Just a few hours of storage significantly increases the upper limit to solar generation's share on a grid without excessive curtailment. EDIT: you probably know this. I'm just using your comment as a jumping-off point to elaborate.
- zild3d 9y agoThanks, I appreciate the rundown. just for clarity - in the battery step you wrote the calculation using $150/kWh instead of the mentioned $100/kWh. The final $480M is still correct
- sxates 9y agoThis also assumes a consistent natural gas market over the next 30 years, which is far from certain. Gas prices can fluctuate greatly, and the global political climate is increasingly hostile to fossil fuel sources. The theoretical solar plant at $.05 is unlikely to change, but the theoretical gas plant at $.04 is a variable that could very well go way up.