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Only technical people have a clue what virtualization even means. Generally speaking, gamers haven't even heard of the word. Thus whatever virtualization soulut

by Strom 9y ago

Only technical people have a clue what virtualization even means. Generally speaking, gamers haven't even heard of the word. Thus whatever virtualization soulution is used must be pretty much automatic. However if Windows already automatically handles this, then why mention that there's no Win32 support? Either people can keep launching their games on Steam or they can't. If they can't, then this new Windows won't win any fans among gamers. Even if there's automatic virtualization in place, as soon as you're losing fps, gamers won't be happy.

wmgries 9y ago
Security. I believe Centennial apps don't have the ability to actually modify the system - they just think they can via the container interface. Worth noting: the Xbox One has used virtualization since day one for video games. Done right, gamers shouldn't even have to know that this is what's happening. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_One_system_software#System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_One_system_software#Syste... Disclaimer: Microsoft employee, not working on Windows 10 (aka I have no idea how accurate this is).
- jakebasile 9y ago
  Yeah, that sounds like it might preclude any modding (as is the case with current UWP games) which will be a hard pass from me and many other PC gamers (I don't even mod much, usually just fan patches). The Xbox One has come up a couple times here, and I don't think the people bringing it up understand that the Xbox is the exact opposite of what PC gamers want their PC to be. It's closed down, controlled, and limited compared to a full PC. It may be more secure, but often the beneficiary of that security is not the user but the console manufacturer, game publishers, and game developers.
- wmgries 9y ago
  @jakebasile clearly a legitimate problem to be solved. The Xbox reference is merely to show that virtualized solutions can be very high performance. I've never had my Xbox drop frames or anything that would indicate it's not running with the full power of the machine.
nailer 9y ago
Seamless virtualization is done on xbone, which is an Intel AMD64 chip emulating a PPC to play 360 games

by Strom 9y ago

wmgries 9y ago

Security. I believe Centennial apps don't have the ability to actually modify the system - they just think they can via the container interface. Worth noting: the Xbox One has used virtualization since day one for video games. Done right, gamers shouldn't even have to know that this is what's happening. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_One_system_software#System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_One_system_software#Syste... Disclaimer: Microsoft employee, not working on Windows 10 (aka I have no idea how accurate this is).

jakebasile 9y ago
Yeah, that sounds like it might preclude any modding (as is the case with current UWP games) which will be a hard pass from me and many other PC gamers (I don't even mod much, usually just fan patches). The Xbox One has come up a couple times here, and I don't think the people bringing it up understand that the Xbox is the exact opposite of what PC gamers want their PC to be. It's closed down, controlled, and limited compared to a full PC. It may be more secure, but often the beneficiary of that security is not the user but the console manufacturer, game publishers, and game developers.
wmgries 9y ago
@jakebasile clearly a legitimate problem to be solved. The Xbox reference is merely to show that virtualized solutions can be very high performance. I've never had my Xbox drop frames or anything that would indicate it's not running with the full power of the machine.

nailer 9y ago

Seamless virtualization is done on xbone, which is an Intel AMD64 chip emulating a PPC to play 360 games