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Exactly. We're not going to get sentient, self-replicating, anti-human robots with weapons anytime soon. What we will get is the equivalent of a rifle in the a

Exactly. We're not going to get sentient, self-replicating, anti-human robots with weapons anytime soon. What we will get is the equivalent of a rifle in the age of swords. Maybe a machine gun, even. I have an Android device. Google's face recognition is so good, that it was able to correctly identify people in photographs in very degraded circumstances (occluded faces, sideways, etc.). It's only a matter of time before this shit is used to track people in public places, allowing "law enforcement" to track everyone. Were you in the Women's March last weekend? Well, congratulations! You've won the "extra screening at the airport" lottery.

Tharkun 9y ago
> Were you in the Women's March last weekend? Well, congratulations! You've won the "extra screening at the airport" lottery. This is already happening. In the UK 'forward intelligence teams' (FIT) have been applying these tactics for year. There used to be a blog about this, FIT-watch dot something, don't have the UR' on me.
- gaius 9y ago
  FIT don’t have or need AI https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/05/metropolitan-police-super-recognisers https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/05/metropolitan...
  - robotresearcher 9y ago
    AI is cheaper and scales better than super-people, so they will have it before long, if they don't already.
    - r00fus 9y ago
      Why does it have to be AI vs. perceptive people? The argument is that AI will cause the perceptive to become panopticon faster than AI or perceptives directly.
      - robotresearcher 9y ago
        No one says it's either-or. We'll use both, of course. But the AI is the scalable part. For applications that are cost-senstitive, we'll use AI alone. This creates a new industry in cheap intelligence, where human analysts have never been affordable.
  - Tharkun 9y ago
    I wasn't saying they do, though I guess I should have been more explicit about it. I was saying that people are already being harassed based on their presence at demonstrations.
ben_w 9y ago
> We're not going to get sentient, self-replicating, anti-human robots with weapons anytime soon. Anti-human is the easy bit, and that fact terrifies me when I let myself think about it. Self-replicating… well, eh. Do corporations that employ humans count? Sentient. Hmm. We wouldn’t recognise sentient robots even of they built a neon sign and marched en masse through Washington demanding their rights — if that happened, we would tell ourselves it was a clever hack by pranksters or $disliked_nation.
- whatshisface 9y ago
  >Self-replicating… well, eh. Do corporations that employ humans count? Corporations don't self-replicate, at least not intentionally. They tend to grow larger and larger until antitrust breaks them up. (This has happened enough times for me to suspect that it's how things generally work.)
  - ben_w 9y ago
    I was thinking more of an AI which hires human workers to build drones. Perhaps for profit, by making cute children’s toys and deciding they need a LIDAR that “accidentally” has a mode where the beam is stationary instead of scanning rapidly, thus turning it into a fleet of thousands to millions of flying weapons.
- javajosh 9y ago
  I've always thought it would be trivial for a very strong AI to own a city, it's factories, etc -- simply capture a nuke and hold all the people in a pleasant hostage situation. Pleasant because the AI will be a "benevolent dictator" for some time, bending the economy to build better things for itself, but without making conditions so bad that people revolt. In fact, AI of this sort would be amazingly good at administration duties, and society would probably be a lot better than it is now. Perhaps even better would be if the AI rarely interceded in the human politics, and in fact worked to keep it's involvement and control totally secret.
  - r00fus 9y ago
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Tharkun 9y ago

> Were you in the Women's March last weekend? Well, congratulations! You've won the "extra screening at the airport" lottery. This is already happening. In the UK 'forward intelligence teams' (FIT) have been applying these tactics for year. There used to be a blog about this, FIT-watch dot something, don't have the UR' on me.

gaius 9y ago
FIT don’t have or need AI https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/05/metropolitan-police-super-recognisers https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/05/metropolitan...
- robotresearcher 9y ago
  AI is cheaper and scales better than super-people, so they will have it before long, if they don't already.
  - r00fus 9y ago
    Why does it have to be AI vs. perceptive people? The argument is that AI will cause the perceptive to become panopticon faster than AI or perceptives directly.
    - robotresearcher 9y ago
      No one says it's either-or. We'll use both, of course. But the AI is the scalable part. For applications that are cost-senstitive, we'll use AI alone. This creates a new industry in cheap intelligence, where human analysts have never been affordable.
- Tharkun 9y ago
  I wasn't saying they do, though I guess I should have been more explicit about it. I was saying that people are already being harassed based on their presence at demonstrations.

ben_w 9y ago

> We're not going to get sentient, self-replicating, anti-human robots with weapons anytime soon. Anti-human is the easy bit, and that fact terrifies me when I let myself think about it. Self-replicating… well, eh. Do corporations that employ humans count? Sentient. Hmm. We wouldn’t recognise sentient robots even of they built a neon sign and marched en masse through Washington demanding their rights — if that happened, we would tell ourselves it was a clever hack by pranksters or $disliked_nation.

whatshisface 9y ago
>Self-replicating… well, eh. Do corporations that employ humans count? Corporations don't self-replicate, at least not intentionally. They tend to grow larger and larger until antitrust breaks them up. (This has happened enough times for me to suspect that it's how things generally work.)
- ben_w 9y ago
  I was thinking more of an AI which hires human workers to build drones. Perhaps for profit, by making cute children’s toys and deciding they need a LIDAR that “accidentally” has a mode where the beam is stationary instead of scanning rapidly, thus turning it into a fleet of thousands to millions of flying weapons.
javajosh 9y ago
I've always thought it would be trivial for a very strong AI to own a city, it's factories, etc -- simply capture a nuke and hold all the people in a pleasant hostage situation. Pleasant because the AI will be a "benevolent dictator" for some time, bending the economy to build better things for itself, but without making conditions so bad that people revolt. In fact, AI of this sort would be amazingly good at administration duties, and society would probably be a lot better than it is now. Perhaps even better would be if the AI rarely interceded in the human politics, and in fact worked to keep it's involvement and control totally secret.
- r00fus 9y ago

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