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AI is further enabling oppression in China which is already arguably the world's largest surveillance state. For example, using AI and the government's ID datab

by Puer 9y ago

AI is further enabling oppression in China which is already arguably the world's largest surveillance state. For example, using AI and the government's ID database, crosswalk cameras are now able to facially identify "chronic j-walkers." [1] The concerning part of this is the implication that these profiles don't go away. In the status quo, watch lists already exist, but I'm afraid that as AI technology becomes more accessible it will only further increase abuse and discrimination against "potential offenders" identified by the system. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-all-seeing-surveillance-state-feared-in-the-west-is-a-reality-in-china-1498493020 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-all-seeing-surveillance-sta...

est 9y ago
Chinese here. AI makes social change in a really strange way. The story everyone knows, China is a authoritarian state, the gov't controls every aspect of citizen's life. But somethings strange starts appear. You know, future CPC leaders, no matter how powerful/rich their parents are, they will be grown up in a highly supervised social environment. They are forced to think and act more transparently because everyone is in the system. A random offensive act against the Party may put a citizen in jail. It also means a minor speech flaw made by a political figure leads to career suicide. In the paste decades, they major problem is that CPC has unlimited power, no matter what bullshit they pull off, they always get away with it. Now with cameras and big-data shit, no matter what you want to cover, you always leave a digital trace behind. Someone at sometime, no matter citizens or your enemey at opposing political group will find it and exploit it against you. In this "everyone's been watched" game, unless a dedicated, organized backdoor exists, everyone will be forced to comply with some kind "rule" or equilibrium, which is far different than today's arbitrary enforced laws in China. Gov't today use keywords to monitor citizen online activities, but I've also seen a monitor program to evaluate Party member's loyalty based on cognitive science and machine learning. Technology accelerates all of these. I foresee China will go through a radical, soviet style social paradigm shift, but nothing like we've ever seen before.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  The rich and the powerful somehow always find ways to be exempted from oversight.
  - chongli 9y ago
    Until they don't. The term "rich and powerful" refers to a group with high turnover, not an eternal ruling cabal.
- snerbles 9y ago
  > unless a dedicated, organized backdoor exists I would be surprised if such a thing did not exist for those that run the system.
  - gaius 9y ago
    would be surprised if such a thing did not exist for those that run the system It is very common in London to see late-teenage to mid-twenties children of wealthy families in conservative regions behaving very, very badly. I’m sure there’s a similar scene in Paris and NYC. The rule is you can do what you like there but never, ever back home.
- jpalomaki 9y ago
  If you employ even a fairly simple AI to monitor, evaluate and score the party members for their actions you would kind of have a state run by AI. Of course this AI would not be "aware" of itself, but I think it is an interesting example how we might end up being "enslaved" without even noticing.

by Puer 9y ago

est 9y ago

Chinese here. AI makes social change in a really strange way. The story everyone knows, China is a authoritarian state, the gov't controls every aspect of citizen's life. But somethings strange starts appear. You know, future CPC leaders, no matter how powerful/rich their parents are, they will be grown up in a highly supervised social environment. They are forced to think and act more transparently because everyone is in the system. A random offensive act against the Party may put a citizen in jail. It also means a minor speech flaw made by a political figure leads to career suicide. In the paste decades, they major problem is that CPC has unlimited power, no matter what bullshit they pull off, they always get away with it. Now with cameras and big-data shit, no matter what you want to cover, you always leave a digital trace behind. Someone at sometime, no matter citizens or your enemey at opposing political group will find it and exploit it against you. In this "everyone's been watched" game, unless a dedicated, organized backdoor exists, everyone will be forced to comply with some kind "rule" or equilibrium, which is far different than today's arbitrary enforced laws in China. Gov't today use keywords to monitor citizen online activities, but I've also seen a monitor program to evaluate Party member's loyalty based on cognitive science and machine learning. Technology accelerates all of these. I foresee China will go through a radical, soviet style social paradigm shift, but nothing like we've ever seen before.

jacquesm 9y ago
The rich and the powerful somehow always find ways to be exempted from oversight.
- chongli 9y ago
  Until they don't. The term "rich and powerful" refers to a group with high turnover, not an eternal ruling cabal.
snerbles 9y ago
> unless a dedicated, organized backdoor exists I would be surprised if such a thing did not exist for those that run the system.
- gaius 9y ago
  would be surprised if such a thing did not exist for those that run the system It is very common in London to see late-teenage to mid-twenties children of wealthy families in conservative regions behaving very, very badly. I’m sure there’s a similar scene in Paris and NYC. The rule is you can do what you like there but never, ever back home.
jpalomaki 9y ago
If you employ even a fairly simple AI to monitor, evaluate and score the party members for their actions you would kind of have a state run by AI. Of course this AI would not be "aware" of itself, but I think it is an interesting example how we might end up being "enslaved" without even noticing.