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I think the idea is you just buck up and pay the cloud fees. If you follow Qubes / ITL, you would know that they are hardly a "startup" as a decade-old company

I think the idea is you just buck up and pay the cloud fees. If you follow Qubes / ITL, you would know that they are hardly a "startup" as a decade-old company, and they have been experimenting with enterprise-level support. If they can find a home in the enterprise market, it will at least give them enough cashflow to continue developing Qubes for the foreseeable future. Besides, I imagine Joanna Rutkowska's opinion on the ICO scene isn't a very positive one, and I don't think she wants to complicate her company by pivoting to a blockchain model that has absolutely no relevance to developing secure operating sytems.

ecesena 9y ago
I don’t know how to write it better. I never said Qubes should change their biz model or do an ICO. Full stop. All I said is that their product would be great in the hands of a startup that focuses on a single hardware platform and does more marketing, and/or does an ico because I see a great incentive to run nodes of the cloud (because qubes utself provides all the building block for trust). > If you follow Qubes I do, since 2010, when I was doing very similar research on trusted cloud computing. > If they can find a home in the enterprise market I wish it to them, but this doesn’t mean someone else can try a more aggressive consumer route, or an alternative for their cloud model. I respect a ton their work, and as I said in my very first comment I think they should focus on the research part, and someone else could provide capital and grow the consumer product.
- kakarot 9y ago
  I don’t know how to write it better. I never said Qubes should change their biz model or do an ICO. Full stop. All I said is that their product would be great in the hands of a startup that focuses on a single hardware platform and does more marketing That's strange, because the first sentence in your OP is: Qubes would make for a great startup and, given the time, prob a very successful ICO.
  - ecesena 9y ago
    Ooops, you’re absolutely right and now I understand all the downvotes. In my mind I was thinking to Qubes as the product(s), that could benefit from a startup. Similarly to as Kafka has Confluent, or Druid has Imply. And I fully agree that Qubes the company should continue to be focus on research.
    - kakarot 9y ago
      FWIW, none of them came from me. And I see the confusion now: Qubes isn't a company, the company is Invisible Things Lab.

ecesena 9y ago

I don’t know how to write it better. I never said Qubes should change their biz model or do an ICO. Full stop. All I said is that their product would be great in the hands of a startup that focuses on a single hardware platform and does more marketing, and/or does an ico because I see a great incentive to run nodes of the cloud (because qubes utself provides all the building block for trust). > If you follow Qubes I do, since 2010, when I was doing very similar research on trusted cloud computing. > If they can find a home in the enterprise market I wish it to them, but this doesn’t mean someone else can try a more aggressive consumer route, or an alternative for their cloud model. I respect a ton their work, and as I said in my very first comment I think they should focus on the research part, and someone else could provide capital and grow the consumer product.

kakarot 9y ago
I don’t know how to write it better. I never said Qubes should change their biz model or do an ICO. Full stop. All I said is that their product would be great in the hands of a startup that focuses on a single hardware platform and does more marketing That's strange, because the first sentence in your OP is: Qubes would make for a great startup and, given the time, prob a very successful ICO.
- ecesena 9y ago
  Ooops, you’re absolutely right and now I understand all the downvotes. In my mind I was thinking to Qubes as the product(s), that could benefit from a startup. Similarly to as Kafka has Confluent, or Druid has Imply. And I fully agree that Qubes the company should continue to be focus on research.
  - kakarot 9y ago
    FWIW, none of them came from me. And I see the confusion now: Qubes isn't a company, the company is Invisible Things Lab.