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If this conspiracy theory would be true, companies would only hire women, because they are 20% cheaper. Why is this not happening?

brucephillips 9y ago
People here might be more willing to respond to your question if you didn't refer to a highly researched Washington Post article as a conspiracy theory.
- whitemale 9y ago
  > People here might be more willing to respond to your question if you didn't refer to a highly researched Washington Post article as a conspiracy theory. People don't have to respond, trying to dodge the question with an appeal to authority proves my point just fine. Your "highly researched" article doesn't deal with responsibility and seniority(mainly because there is no data for that) and makes funny claims such as "two very similar occupations, janitors (mostly men) and housekeepers (mostly women).", that's the equivalent of me saying "Worpdress development is similar to Enterprise Java Development" and for some reason one pays an order of magnitude more.
  - brucephillips 9y ago
    You don't understand what a conspiracy theory is. It's when a covert organization covers up a malicious act. You're just using inflated language to describe what's ultimately just a mistaken argument.
    - whitemale 9y ago
      If my argument is "mistaken", why are you focusing on the language that I used instead of just disproving my argument? I would also be interested that if the gender wage gap is real and it is as believers describe it, how would you explain it without going into conspiracy land.
      - brucephillips 9y ago
        Because your arguments are probably correct. I never claimed otherwise. I took issue with your language. You're contributing to the polarization by using unnecessary, inflammatory, and inaccurate language. That's the problem.
        whitemale 9y ago
        I'm going by this definition: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/conspire http://www.dictionary.com/browse/conspire Claiming that across the US women get paid 20% less than men, for doing exactly the same work with exactly the same qualifications with everything aside from genitals being equal is not a conspiracy theory in your opinion? Claiming that society is sexist in that way is not a conspiracy theory? Even if I grant you that I used harsh language, I take issue with your priorities, I would priorities truth over political correctness.
        brucephillips 9y ago
        > Claiming that society is sexist in that way is not a conspiracy theory? No. It's just a false claim. False claims aren't conspiracy theories. > I would priorities truth over political correctness. It's prioritize*, and prioritization only matters when there's a tradeoff. I'm not sacrificing truth to point out your mistake.
        whitemale 9y ago
        > False claims aren't conspiracy theories. Are you saying that conspiracy theories are all true? > I'm not sacrificing truth to point out your mistake. You are wasting 100% of your effort on arguing semantics instead of engaging with my actual argument, sounds like a tradeoff to me. And no, it's not a mistake, don't know where you got that idea from.
        brucephillips 9y ago
        > Are you saying that conspiracy theories are all true? (A -/-> B) does not mean that (B -> !A) When arguments devolve into basic logical errors, there's little hope in finding a resolution, which you're obviously not after anyway. > You are wasting 100% of your effort on arguing semantics instead of engaging with my actual argument. You're so intent on picking a fight that you don't realize I agreed with your actual argument above. Happy trolling.
dang 9y ago
We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's an abuse of this site, as stated in the site guidelines and illustrated by the tire fire below. Please don't create HN accounts to break the site rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- whitemale 9y ago
  > We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. You seem to only take issue with one side of the "ideological battle", it's almost like you just banned the account because someone said something you didn't like. If you would really believe what you say, you would not let "gender pay gap" and "women in tech" topics be posted at all.
  - dang 9y ago
    The key word in your comment is 'seem'. It seems that way not because it's true—we've banned many accounts for abusing HN from the opposite ideological side—but because there's a cognitive bias in such perceptions. People with the opposite ideology have the opposite perception. I've written about this a ton if anyone is interested: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20ideological%20bias https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&query=13110004 https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...

brucephillips 9y ago

People here might be more willing to respond to your question if you didn't refer to a highly researched Washington Post article as a conspiracy theory.

whitemale 9y ago
> People here might be more willing to respond to your question if you didn't refer to a highly researched Washington Post article as a conspiracy theory. People don't have to respond, trying to dodge the question with an appeal to authority proves my point just fine. Your "highly researched" article doesn't deal with responsibility and seniority(mainly because there is no data for that) and makes funny claims such as "two very similar occupations, janitors (mostly men) and housekeepers (mostly women).", that's the equivalent of me saying "Worpdress development is similar to Enterprise Java Development" and for some reason one pays an order of magnitude more.
- brucephillips 9y ago
  You don't understand what a conspiracy theory is. It's when a covert organization covers up a malicious act. You're just using inflated language to describe what's ultimately just a mistaken argument.
  - whitemale 9y ago
    If my argument is "mistaken", why are you focusing on the language that I used instead of just disproving my argument? I would also be interested that if the gender wage gap is real and it is as believers describe it, how would you explain it without going into conspiracy land.
    - brucephillips 9y ago
      Because your arguments are probably correct. I never claimed otherwise. I took issue with your language. You're contributing to the polarization by using unnecessary, inflammatory, and inaccurate language. That's the problem.
      - whitemale 9y ago
        I'm going by this definition: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/conspire http://www.dictionary.com/browse/conspire Claiming that across the US women get paid 20% less than men, for doing exactly the same work with exactly the same qualifications with everything aside from genitals being equal is not a conspiracy theory in your opinion? Claiming that society is sexist in that way is not a conspiracy theory? Even if I grant you that I used harsh language, I take issue with your priorities, I would priorities truth over political correctness.
        brucephillips 9y ago
        > Claiming that society is sexist in that way is not a conspiracy theory? No. It's just a false claim. False claims aren't conspiracy theories. > I would priorities truth over political correctness. It's prioritize*, and prioritization only matters when there's a tradeoff. I'm not sacrificing truth to point out your mistake.
        whitemale 9y ago
        > False claims aren't conspiracy theories. Are you saying that conspiracy theories are all true? > I'm not sacrificing truth to point out your mistake. You are wasting 100% of your effort on arguing semantics instead of engaging with my actual argument, sounds like a tradeoff to me. And no, it's not a mistake, don't know where you got that idea from.
        brucephillips 9y ago
        > Are you saying that conspiracy theories are all true? (A -/-> B) does not mean that (B -> !A) When arguments devolve into basic logical errors, there's little hope in finding a resolution, which you're obviously not after anyway. > You are wasting 100% of your effort on arguing semantics instead of engaging with my actual argument. You're so intent on picking a fight that you don't realize I agreed with your actual argument above. Happy trolling.

dang 9y ago

We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's an abuse of this site, as stated in the site guidelines and illustrated by the tire fire below. Please don't create HN accounts to break the site rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

whitemale 9y ago
> We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. You seem to only take issue with one side of the "ideological battle", it's almost like you just banned the account because someone said something you didn't like. If you would really believe what you say, you would not let "gender pay gap" and "women in tech" topics be posted at all.
- dang 9y ago
  The key word in your comment is 'seem'. It seems that way not because it's true—we've banned many accounts for abusing HN from the opposite ideological side—but because there's a cognitive bias in such perceptions. People with the opposite ideology have the opposite perception. I've written about this a ton if anyone is interested: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20ideological%20bias https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&query=13110004 https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...