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Thank goodness that Linux is consistent and has no bugs :-) Ubuntu still doesn't let me change my IP address to a static one via the UI and video drivers still

by st3fan 9y ago

Thank goodness that Linux is consistent and has no bugs :-) Ubuntu still doesn't let me change my IP address to a static one via the UI and video drivers still crash or result in hours of googling and reading contradicting articles on how to change xorg.conf Software has bugs. Operating systems are hard. It doesn't matter where you will go, you will most likely deal with similar issues. Whether it be Linux, Windows or macOS.

tambourine_man 9y ago
>Software has bugs. Operating systems are hard. Sure, but it doesn't help when you are rewriting fundamental parts of the stack like the window server, for instance. And I'm very glad that they did, the move to Metal shows they are committed to the Mac and not standing still. Just don't treat us as involuntary beta testers.
- __david__ 9y ago
  Except their window system rewrite actually slowed everything down. Every single os release has added bugs to the graphics layer. I've been maintaining a simple little screensaver since Mac os beta (almost 20 years old now) and the last 3 or 4 releases there's always something that breaks it. Bug reports go unheeded.
  - tambourine_man 9y ago
    May I ask which screen saver?
icebraining 9y ago
Ubuntu still doesn't let me change my IP address to a static one via the UI What do you mean? It doesn't get applied?
- st3fan 9y ago
  That is right. I fill in the fields, then submit the change and nothing happens and it jumps back to DHCP. Always have to just edit the network settings manually.
  - braderhart 9y ago
    Sorry, but Ubuntu and Gnome NetworkManager issues do not equate to issues with Linux. They are very distro and window manager specific.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      Regular users see a full distro experience as Linux, they don't dissociate kernel and userland.
    - marmaduke 9y ago
      Not sure why your comment is grayed out. This is very much true, and part of the reason I run CentOS when I want infrastructure to work 24/7/365, but eg Fedora for testing new software.
nxc18 9y ago
The difference is you pay a huge premium for Apple products, Linux distros are generally free (unless you want enterprise-style support). The same criticism applies to Windows - give it away for free and I might care less about crashes and the huge slide in quality over the last ~5 years.
- st3fan 9y ago
  I'm happy to pay a premium to never again have to deal with xorg.conf. All platforms come with a cost.
  - foepys 9y ago
    FWIW, X configures itself nowadays and Wayland also just works. But I know where you are coming from. Everything audio related for example is still in very bad shape when you want more than Intel HDA.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      Canonical is not of the same opinion, they just gave up on Wayland for the next LTS release.
      - vurpo 9y ago
        Wayland may be ready for default in Ubuntu and Fedora, but they clearly didn't consider it ready for LTS. They have already said the next non-LTS version will still have Wayland as default.
    - sneak 9y ago
      Now try hotplugging an external display.
  - madaxe_again 9y ago
    Yeah, except 15 years ago it was xf86config with xinerama if you wanted multiple heads, and lcds are a walk in the park compared to CRTs - I actually killed a nice 21” monitor by screwing up the frequencies. I even recall the delightful process of having to modify graphics drivers to work with the bizarre Chips&Technologies integrated graphics I had. At that point, OSX was such a breath of fresh air. Xorg.conf is a delightful stroll through a meadow compared to the nightmare fuel that came before, and in setting Linux (Kali,Ubuntu) on several machines of various spec over the last weeks, it has Just Worked.
pjmlp 9y ago
My Ubuntu 16.04 LTS X-Windows just froze today multiple times, not even changing to virtual terminals was possible, only hard reboot.
- ShabbosGoy 9y ago
  I spent hours last night trying to get Bumblebee to work with my Optimus laptop. Ubuntu is a great plug-and-play distribution, except when it isn’t.
  - ensiferum 9y ago
    Optimus is a piece of shit even on windows.
    - ShabbosGoy 9y ago
      Facing that right now :-( Optimus is one of those ideas that’s cool on paper, but horribly implemented.
marmaduke 9y ago
Re Ubuntu and docs, this something where I find CentOS valuable: it moves slowly but is very stable. I’ve never seen network issues on CentOS on cli or GUI. Red hat also puts out great comprehensive docs so you don’t have to dredge the forums.
ksk 9y ago
Yes, all software has bugs. And pretty much all modern operating systems are good. But some are better than others in much the same way as all Olympic 100m runners are fast but some are faster than others.

by st3fan 9y ago

tambourine_man 9y ago

>Software has bugs. Operating systems are hard. Sure, but it doesn't help when you are rewriting fundamental parts of the stack like the window server, for instance. And I'm very glad that they did, the move to Metal shows they are committed to the Mac and not standing still. Just don't treat us as involuntary beta testers.

__david__ 9y ago
Except their window system rewrite actually slowed everything down. Every single os release has added bugs to the graphics layer. I've been maintaining a simple little screensaver since Mac os beta (almost 20 years old now) and the last 3 or 4 releases there's always something that breaks it. Bug reports go unheeded.
- tambourine_man 9y ago
  May I ask which screen saver?

icebraining 9y ago

Ubuntu still doesn't let me change my IP address to a static one via the UI What do you mean? It doesn't get applied?

st3fan 9y ago
That is right. I fill in the fields, then submit the change and nothing happens and it jumps back to DHCP. Always have to just edit the network settings manually.
- braderhart 9y ago
  Sorry, but Ubuntu and Gnome NetworkManager issues do not equate to issues with Linux. They are very distro and window manager specific.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Regular users see a full distro experience as Linux, they don't dissociate kernel and userland.
  - marmaduke 9y ago
    Not sure why your comment is grayed out. This is very much true, and part of the reason I run CentOS when I want infrastructure to work 24/7/365, but eg Fedora for testing new software.

nxc18 9y ago

The difference is you pay a huge premium for Apple products, Linux distros are generally free (unless you want enterprise-style support). The same criticism applies to Windows - give it away for free and I might care less about crashes and the huge slide in quality over the last ~5 years.

st3fan 9y ago
I'm happy to pay a premium to never again have to deal with xorg.conf. All platforms come with a cost.
- foepys 9y ago
  FWIW, X configures itself nowadays and Wayland also just works. But I know where you are coming from. Everything audio related for example is still in very bad shape when you want more than Intel HDA.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Canonical is not of the same opinion, they just gave up on Wayland for the next LTS release.
    - vurpo 9y ago
      Wayland may be ready for default in Ubuntu and Fedora, but they clearly didn't consider it ready for LTS. They have already said the next non-LTS version will still have Wayland as default.
  - sneak 9y ago
    Now try hotplugging an external display.
- madaxe_again 9y ago
  Yeah, except 15 years ago it was xf86config with xinerama if you wanted multiple heads, and lcds are a walk in the park compared to CRTs - I actually killed a nice 21” monitor by screwing up the frequencies. I even recall the delightful process of having to modify graphics drivers to work with the bizarre Chips&Technologies integrated graphics I had. At that point, OSX was such a breath of fresh air. Xorg.conf is a delightful stroll through a meadow compared to the nightmare fuel that came before, and in setting Linux (Kali,Ubuntu) on several machines of various spec over the last weeks, it has Just Worked.

pjmlp 9y ago

My Ubuntu 16.04 LTS X-Windows just froze today multiple times, not even changing to virtual terminals was possible, only hard reboot.

ShabbosGoy 9y ago
I spent hours last night trying to get Bumblebee to work with my Optimus laptop. Ubuntu is a great plug-and-play distribution, except when it isn’t.
- ensiferum 9y ago
  Optimus is a piece of shit even on windows.
  - ShabbosGoy 9y ago
    Facing that right now :-( Optimus is one of those ideas that’s cool on paper, but horribly implemented.

marmaduke 9y ago

Re Ubuntu and docs, this something where I find CentOS valuable: it moves slowly but is very stable. I’ve never seen network issues on CentOS on cli or GUI. Red hat also puts out great comprehensive docs so you don’t have to dredge the forums.

ksk 9y ago

Yes, all software has bugs. And pretty much all modern operating systems are good. But some are better than others in much the same way as all Olympic 100m runners are fast but some are faster than others.