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"I live in a [Blue/Red] state and it's no secret that I'm a [Democrat/Republican] - as is the majority of my state. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if t

"I live in a [Blue/Red] state and it's no secret that I'm a [Democrat/Republican] - as is the majority of my state. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if the voting records of everyone were published. You could get the same information just by asking - which is exactly what exit polls do. Don't see the issue." There is something (seriously) wrong with the above thinking. I don't think I need to spell it out.

maxerickson 9y ago
Which information here is equivalent to a vote. Spell it out.
- logicallee 9y ago
  Thanks for your polite response and query. I see you are a longstanding user here and you were quite specific in your question. - The answer is: it's the attitude itself which I consider equivalent. Here again is the poster (direct unmodified and representative quote): >Of course someone lives in my house. It is not news to anyone local. My address is on the map, and it's pretty obvious that someone lives here if you drive by and see it. Here is my pretend quote for comparison: >It's no secret that I'm a [Democrat/Republican] - You could get the same information just by asking. If you don't see how this is literally the exact same attitude then you kind of need me to come up with scenarios. Since you politely asked me to spell it out, what is your guess - what do I mean, why is it the same attitude exactly? I appreciate your tone with me and if you will do me the courtesy of guessing what I mean then I can correct you if that is not what I meant. What's your most charitable guess, why did I mean that it is the same attitude?
  - maxerickson 9y ago
    Voter rolls and (registered) party membership literally are published (some states charge for it) so in your example the actual vote is really the only thing on the line.
    - logicallee 9y ago
      ok you didn't guess what I mean. OP is also voting with their feet: now that this is published they can't lie and say they also run laps around their house, if they're known to wear a fitbit and claim they wear it while running - but there's: >"Yes, there is a bright line on Strava that leads from a spiderweb of trails in the park right to the door of my private, personal house! " ... and not to laps around it, ever. So their voting with their feet is recorded plainly for everyone to see. Doubt they checked "Share my personal steps (location) history with entire world" in any agreement - nobody would check that box any more than anyone would check a Gmail box "Allow Google to publish all contents of my Google account, including all chats and emails, with entire world." But their attitude is "so what - people could see that information anyway". It's exactly the same attitude as "so what - if anyone asked me I'd be happy to tell them I'm a [Democrat/Republican]". Please judge their sentiment here (attitude) as that is what I am comparing. Would you agree it's the same attitude?
LeifCarrotson 9y ago
Existing is not a secret. Voting records are. I agree that voting records should be kept secret, but information like the location of a house at the end of my line on the Strava heatmap is not analogous to voting records.
EllipticCurve 9y ago
Except, that you give out your location data by yourself. A choice no one makes for you except yourself.
lostlogin 9y ago
Many places have more than 2 parties, many don’t allow exit polls and many places have violence associated with elections.

maxerickson 9y ago

Which information here is equivalent to a vote. Spell it out.

logicallee 9y ago
Thanks for your polite response and query. I see you are a longstanding user here and you were quite specific in your question. - The answer is: it's the attitude itself which I consider equivalent. Here again is the poster (direct unmodified and representative quote): >Of course someone lives in my house. It is not news to anyone local. My address is on the map, and it's pretty obvious that someone lives here if you drive by and see it. Here is my pretend quote for comparison: >It's no secret that I'm a [Democrat/Republican] - You could get the same information just by asking. If you don't see how this is literally the exact same attitude then you kind of need me to come up with scenarios. Since you politely asked me to spell it out, what is your guess - what do I mean, why is it the same attitude exactly? I appreciate your tone with me and if you will do me the courtesy of guessing what I mean then I can correct you if that is not what I meant. What's your most charitable guess, why did I mean that it is the same attitude?
- maxerickson 9y ago
  Voter rolls and (registered) party membership literally are published (some states charge for it) so in your example the actual vote is really the only thing on the line.
  - logicallee 9y ago
    ok you didn't guess what I mean. OP is also voting with their feet: now that this is published they can't lie and say they also run laps around their house, if they're known to wear a fitbit and claim they wear it while running - but there's: >"Yes, there is a bright line on Strava that leads from a spiderweb of trails in the park right to the door of my private, personal house! " ... and not to laps around it, ever. So their voting with their feet is recorded plainly for everyone to see. Doubt they checked "Share my personal steps (location) history with entire world" in any agreement - nobody would check that box any more than anyone would check a Gmail box "Allow Google to publish all contents of my Google account, including all chats and emails, with entire world." But their attitude is "so what - people could see that information anyway". It's exactly the same attitude as "so what - if anyone asked me I'd be happy to tell them I'm a [Democrat/Republican]". Please judge their sentiment here (attitude) as that is what I am comparing. Would you agree it's the same attitude?

LeifCarrotson 9y ago

Existing is not a secret. Voting records are. I agree that voting records should be kept secret, but information like the location of a house at the end of my line on the Strava heatmap is not analogous to voting records.

EllipticCurve 9y ago

Except, that you give out your location data by yourself. A choice no one makes for you except yourself.

lostlogin 9y ago

Many places have more than 2 parties, many don’t allow exit polls and many places have violence associated with elections.