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The mental doublethink that enables outrage over this but tacitly accepts gender quotas is amazing.

nailer 9y ago
They're different people. People who want gender quotas seems to think of Asian people as a successful group and therefore OK to discriminate against - my SF friends called Facebook's employee numbers re: Asians irrelevant because Asians were somehow Europeans.
Retric 9y ago
Uhh, more women go to collage now so that seems like it would discriminate vs women? Really, if we want to punch more women into stem we would need to eliminate less useful options.
- zimablue 9y ago
  Talking about the push for implicit quotas in tech companies/all companies. Kind of obviously.
  - Retric 9y ago
    Ok, article is about collage admissions so I assumed that's what was being referenced. Companies are not going to introduce quotas as it reduces their efficiency and thus costs them money.
    - GhostVII 9y ago
      > Companies are not going to introduce quotas as it reduces their efficiency and thus costs them money Don't they already do this? Maybe not with direct quotas, but certainly they fast-track women when hiring.
      - Retric 9y ago
        Fast tracking does not have the same downside as quotas. With fast-tracking you can have some minimum standard, with quotas you are more or less forced to accept people that are arbitrarily bad simply because you did not get enough applications. Another way of thinking about this is if you take say 2+ weeks to vet everyone then some perfectly qualified people are going to drop out because they found a job on day 3. On the other hand if you simply adjust the schedule so group X gets an answer within 3 days you are going to end up with more perfectly qualified people from group X without lowering your standards. Similarly if you promote someone sooner they are less likely to look for a new job right after a promotion. That does not mean you need to promote people that are not capable, just reduce mandatory waiting periods.

They're different people. People who want gender quotas seems to think of Asian people as a successful group and therefore OK to discriminate against - my SF friends called Facebook's employee numbers re: Asians irrelevant because Asians were somehow Europeans.

Retric 9y ago

Uhh, more women go to collage now so that seems like it would discriminate vs women? Really, if we want to punch more women into stem we would need to eliminate less useful options.

zimablue 9y ago
Talking about the push for implicit quotas in tech companies/all companies. Kind of obviously.
- Retric 9y ago
  Ok, article is about collage admissions so I assumed that's what was being referenced. Companies are not going to introduce quotas as it reduces their efficiency and thus costs them money.
  - GhostVII 9y ago
    > Companies are not going to introduce quotas as it reduces their efficiency and thus costs them money Don't they already do this? Maybe not with direct quotas, but certainly they fast-track women when hiring.
    - Retric 9y ago
      Fast tracking does not have the same downside as quotas. With fast-tracking you can have some minimum standard, with quotas you are more or less forced to accept people that are arbitrarily bad simply because you did not get enough applications. Another way of thinking about this is if you take say 2+ weeks to vet everyone then some perfectly qualified people are going to drop out because they found a job on day 3. On the other hand if you simply adjust the schedule so group X gets an answer within 3 days you are going to end up with more perfectly qualified people from group X without lowering your standards. Similarly if you promote someone sooner they are less likely to look for a new job right after a promotion. That does not mean you need to promote people that are not capable, just reduce mandatory waiting periods.