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I don’t know if it’s necessarily dependence or not. I think SV has trouble enticing US citizens from the rest of the country to move here because they won’t pa
by loveydovey 9y ago
I don’t know if it’s necessarily dependence or not. I think SV has trouble enticing US citizens from the rest of the country to move here because they won’t pay enough to provide a similar quality of life. In the 20years I’ve been here I’ve had to transfer tech from places like MD, NJ and Texas. In all cases we managed to retain very few of the engineers from those locations. If I had to guess we’d get 1 out of every 30 engineers to move to the valley. The primary reason we could convince so few was the high cost of housing. In those days the difference wasn’t anywhere near what it is now. recently at the big web monopoly I work at, we hired a director level from Colorado. After a year, he chose not to move due to high costs of housing despite >$300k salary and probably a very valuable RSU package. He left.
I think wages in the Valley would be significantly higher if companies had to entice US citizens to move here. I think the wages would be higher because they’d have to provide quality of life/lifestyle at similar levels to elsewhere. The relief valve of foreign workers, the vast majority simply want a green card allows people to accept a lower standard of living relative to the rest of the US.
That and the fact that once established foreign workers tend to hire same. Example: my Chinese colleagues only seem to be able to refer other a Chinese when we are hiring. Don’t mean to pick on them, other groups do it too. But also in 20 years I’ve never once seen a Chinese colleague refer a non-Chinese National (or even Chinese-American) for an open req.
- jogjayr 9y ago> But also in 20 years I’ve never once seen a Chinese colleague refer a non-Chinese National (or even Chinese-American) for an open req. What you're describing is a feature/bug of referral-based hiring and has nothing to do with specific groups or nationalities. People tend to refer their friends, and other people they've worked with. I'm not denying it would be good for everyone to leave their social bubbles and make some new friends though :-)
- loveydovey 9y agoSorry but I disagree. I’ve worked with all types and have no issue pushing folks I think are talented regardless of background. I’ve hired all kinds of people. If you don’t think what I’m referring to is an issue then you either haven’t been around very long or you are ignoring the obvious.
- jogjayr 9y agoI'm not disagreeing there's an issue, I'm just not sure that it's deliberate. People refer who they know socially or have worked with in the past - your friends will tell you they're looking for a new job, but your current co-workers mostly won't. And most people tend to stay within their own cultural bubbles when it comes to making friends, both because it's easy, and because making friends with anyone as an adult is hard. I too, am very happy to refer anyone talented regardless of background, and I think most people are.