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> 2. There is some value to Blockchain technology, so the value is not $0. The value of current crypto-currencies might very well be zero, even if there is som

by pg314 9y ago

> 2. There is some value to Blockchain technology, so the value is not $0. The value of current crypto-currencies might very well be zero, even if there is some value to blockchain technology. > 4. The global market is still tiny? The entire crypto space is $550bn in market cap. Facebook is $552bn in market cap. Comparing market caps like that is silly. I launch my own coin pg314-coin, 1 billion exist. I sell one to my friend for $1000. The market cap is now $1 trillion, twice that of Facebook... > You could have put $2m in the stock market in 2008-2009, and if you used leverage in a smart way, could have ended up with $75-100m. That is true of any period in time where the stock market went up. If you have a positive return to start with you can have an arbitrary multiplier with 'leverage used in a smart way'.

charlesdm 9y ago
> The value of current crypto-currencies might very well be zero, even if there is some value to blockchain technology. Sure. I'm just saying; you can't know. Bitcoin might be around in 5 years, Ethereum might be the platform everything gets built upon, or something better comes along, or it all dies never to be heard of again. > Comparing market caps like that is silly. I launch my own coin pg314-coin, 1 billion exist. I sell one to my friend for $1000. The market cap is now $1 trillion, twice that of Facebook... Approx. $10bn worth of Bitcoin was traded in the last 24 hours ($200bn market cap). Approx. $3.4bn Facebook shares were traded per day during the last 50 trading sessions ($550bn market cap). Let's assume that even half of that Bitcoin trading is wash trading (which I don't think so). I think it's a pretty good way of looking at market caps. But you're right for the smaller coins -- those valuations are not in line with the money invested. > That is true of any period in time where the stock market went up. If you have a positive return to start with you can have an arbitrary multiplier with 'leverage used in a smart way'. Sure. But debt has been cheap in the last 10 to 20 years, and that has driven up asset prices significantly across the globe. People overpay for assets everywhere. In times when everything has been going up, people are more willing to take risks. In times where everything is falling, people are less likely to take on speculative investments. That's just part of the cycle.

by pg314 9y ago

charlesdm 9y ago

> The value of current crypto-currencies might very well be zero, even if there is some value to blockchain technology. Sure. I'm just saying; you can't know. Bitcoin might be around in 5 years, Ethereum might be the platform everything gets built upon, or something better comes along, or it all dies never to be heard of again. > Comparing market caps like that is silly. I launch my own coin pg314-coin, 1 billion exist. I sell one to my friend for $1000. The market cap is now $1 trillion, twice that of Facebook... Approx. $10bn worth of Bitcoin was traded in the last 24 hours ($200bn market cap). Approx. $3.4bn Facebook shares were traded per day during the last 50 trading sessions ($550bn market cap). Let's assume that even half of that Bitcoin trading is wash trading (which I don't think so). I think it's a pretty good way of looking at market caps. But you're right for the smaller coins -- those valuations are not in line with the money invested. > That is true of any period in time where the stock market went up. If you have a positive return to start with you can have an arbitrary multiplier with 'leverage used in a smart way'. Sure. But debt has been cheap in the last 10 to 20 years, and that has driven up asset prices significantly across the globe. People overpay for assets everywhere. In times when everything has been going up, people are more willing to take risks. In times where everything is falling, people are less likely to take on speculative investments. That's just part of the cycle.