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Nice idea and important quick-movements. However as a Vim user (mostly motivated by the fact that I can move around pressing single keys which I find more "wri

Nice idea and important quick-movements. However as a Vim user (mostly motivated by the fact that I can move around pressing single keys which I find more "wrist-ergonomic" - potential fast navigation is a nice plus), I always wonder how heavy emacs users deal with CTRL-acrobatics and movement - do you use c-f/c-b for going forward/backward or the usual cursor keys? For vi users it makes sense to set $readline (~/.inputrc) to vi-style, so for completion here the vi-style bindings (although probably obvious if you used to Vim). l "Move forward" h "Move backward" k "Move up" (step history backward) j "Move down" (step history forward) ^ "Jump to beginning of line" $ "Jump to end of line" Deleting works as usual with `d` combinations. Furthermore it is convenient to search the history via `/`.

krylon 9y ago
> do you use c-f/c-b for going forward/backward or the usual cursor keys? I do. With emacs, you usually have a finger near the Ctrl key at all times anyway, so hitting f or b is much more convenient than moving my right hand over to the arrow keys.
xorcist 9y ago
Ctrl-heavy programs are much easier to use when you map the Ctrl key back to its original position, leaving the Ctrl-labeled key for whatever Hyper needs you have.
- sedachv 9y ago
  Yes, the Lisp Machine keyboard layout: https://deskthority.net/wiki/Symbolics_layout https://deskthority.net/wiki/Symbolics_layout That way you can press Control or Alt/Meta (or both at the same time) with the thumb of either hand without a lot of movement. C-f and C-b can be done with either left hand only, or left hand for f/b and right thumb on Control (what used to be Alt, on PC keyboards). Rebinding Caps Lock to Backspace also saves a lot of hand movement. Only a handful of small changes and you get a much better keyboard layout.
  - sanbor 9y ago
    Is it just me or it looks crazy that the Space Cadet keyboard has thumbs up and down? https://deskthority.net/wiki/File:Space-cadet_guts.jpg https://deskthority.net/wiki/File:Space-cadet_guts.jpg Looking at the keys below maybe it was for up/down.
molteanu 9y ago
Honestly, I press both ctrl keys with my palms: http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/swap_CapsLock_Ctrl.html http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/swap_CapsLock_Ctrl.html I'm hearing people say that "that's impossible" or "it's weird", but I've used this method for ~2 years now. It has become muscle memory.
- azaras 9y ago
  It is the BEST method. I put a little pad over the Ctrl Keys to press it easily with muy palm.
Exuma 9y ago
You absolutely have to remap the caps-lock key to your control key... it's so vital. It unlocks a whole paradise of hotkeys that are easily accessible. I meant to include it in my original post but I can't edit it now.
equalunique 9y ago
I love these shortcuts in Vim, but now that I primarily type in Dvorak, I have since reprogrammed my keyboard to have the home, end, and arrow cluster directly beneath my fingers on the home row. Just need to activate a function layer with my thumb in order to access those keys. The keyboard I use is called an Atreus.

krylon 9y ago

> do you use c-f/c-b for going forward/backward or the usual cursor keys? I do. With emacs, you usually have a finger near the Ctrl key at all times anyway, so hitting f or b is much more convenient than moving my right hand over to the arrow keys.

xorcist 9y ago

Ctrl-heavy programs are much easier to use when you map the Ctrl key back to its original position, leaving the Ctrl-labeled key for whatever Hyper needs you have.

sedachv 9y ago
Yes, the Lisp Machine keyboard layout: https://deskthority.net/wiki/Symbolics_layout https://deskthority.net/wiki/Symbolics_layout That way you can press Control or Alt/Meta (or both at the same time) with the thumb of either hand without a lot of movement. C-f and C-b can be done with either left hand only, or left hand for f/b and right thumb on Control (what used to be Alt, on PC keyboards). Rebinding Caps Lock to Backspace also saves a lot of hand movement. Only a handful of small changes and you get a much better keyboard layout.
- sanbor 9y ago
  Is it just me or it looks crazy that the Space Cadet keyboard has thumbs up and down? https://deskthority.net/wiki/File:Space-cadet_guts.jpg https://deskthority.net/wiki/File:Space-cadet_guts.jpg Looking at the keys below maybe it was for up/down.

molteanu 9y ago

Honestly, I press both ctrl keys with my palms: http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/swap_CapsLock_Ctrl.html http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/swap_CapsLock_Ctrl.html I'm hearing people say that "that's impossible" or "it's weird", but I've used this method for ~2 years now. It has become muscle memory.

azaras 9y ago
It is the BEST method. I put a little pad over the Ctrl Keys to press it easily with muy palm.

Exuma 9y ago

You absolutely have to remap the caps-lock key to your control key... it's so vital. It unlocks a whole paradise of hotkeys that are easily accessible. I meant to include it in my original post but I can't edit it now.

equalunique 9y ago

I love these shortcuts in Vim, but now that I primarily type in Dvorak, I have since reprogrammed my keyboard to have the home, end, and arrow cluster directly beneath my fingers on the home row. Just need to activate a function layer with my thumb in order to access those keys. The keyboard I use is called an Atreus.