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> That full excerpt is an extremely ignorant representation of postmodernism, marxism, and Western culture, and the part I pointed to tops it off by saying he's
by asabjorn 9y ago
> That full excerpt is an extremely ignorant representation of postmodernism, marxism, and Western culture, and the part I pointed to tops it off by saying he's completely justified in his ignorance.
Lets handle one thing at a time. What are some specific examples of where you think he gets postmodernism wrong and why?
> And his claim that Marxism led to the deaths of hundreds of millions of people, and that Western liberal values stand in opposition to that, ignores the hundreds of millions of graves Western society is built on (I don't know where the two World Wars fit into his worldview, just for starters)
Western society has definitely had a lot of external aggression through war and colonialism. However, I think Jordan Peterson is more focused on the war on your own society and its social structures.
Marxism argues that the old ways of organizing society became a block--a fetter--on the potential for further developments in production. And the conflict could only end, as Marx and Engels put it starkly in The Communist Manifesto, "in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes."
In order to facilitate this revolutionary reconstitution marxist countries have enforced identity politics in a way that led to the deaths of millions of people and has necessitated policies of thought control where 1/3 of the population spies on the other 2/3 to keep everyone in line.
Because of this I think that although you are making a good point, you are talking about external violence while Jordan Peterson is talking about internal violence inflicted to cause a revolutionary reconstitution.
> and the enormous economic pressure Marxist countries were under as a result of the aggressive resistance and suppression they faced from Western countries, from 1917 onwards.
Communism in practice appears to fail in promoting work ethics and motivation, and that is more likely to be the biggest contributor to the fall of this system. For example, in a study conducted in the former USSR, over 50% of the work force admitted to drinking alcohol while on the job. Furthermore, unbeknownst to the communist party, nearly 40% chose to work a second job privately to attain more wealth. https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/communism-computing-china/workethic.html https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/commu...