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I find this to be one of those things in life where people with negative experiences are just significantly louder than people with positive ones. It's like hun

I find this to be one of those things in life where people with negative experiences are just significantly louder than people with positive ones. It's like hunting for an apartment - you're only going to find bad reviews, because when something works as expected people don't usually feel the need to praise it. I've had a generally rock solid experience with iOS11 so far (and I have a 6+ with a degraded battery to boot - things still operate fine, never needed to reinstall fresh or anything). I _will_ say that Tinder has a huge issue in their app, where whatever the hell they're doing in the background balloons out of control and seems to cause some kind of memory pressure on the device. I don't use Snapchat so I can't comment if it's the same issue there, but on my phone it's Tinder-specific: literally no other app has this issue, but the simple act of opening Tinder and swiping through a few will cause the device to go crazy and silently kill other apps in the background for some reason. I originally thought this was just my 6+ (i.e, maybe the degraded battery or something), but I've tried it on some development devices I have and it exhibits the same thing for me. My best guess is that the crowd that uses Tinder is willing to ignore that kind of issue because... well, it's Tinder, people are on there for a reason. Re: wifi/bluetooth, I actually vastly prefer the way it is now. It took some getting used to but it just makes more sense. Of course, your mileage and experiences may vary, so what do I know.

brazzledazzle 9y ago
With Apple I feel like it’s more about whether or not you deviate from the golden path they develop and test for. It’s harder to stray from it on iOS but not impossible and doing so results in a very frustrating experience.
raquo 9y ago
Well it can go either way. I'm fed up with misguided developments in both hardware and software of smartphones – both Apple and Androids – and have lost all excitement I used to have about that. Same goes for some of my family. I am not loud about that because I don't care anymore because none of the devices on the market suit my needs, and I gave up on that ever changing. I think my case is more common than any loud opinions out there.
- madeofpalk 9y ago
  > [I] have lost all excitement I used to have about that. Same goes for some of my family. I actually think this is a part of the problem. We watched essentially a completely new product category invented in front of our eyes and watched it mature. The lowest hanging fruit were picked years ago (by 2012, in fact![1]). Android caught up to iPhone in a very serious way. What's left to do? I feel like both platforms are in a state where they're 'innovating' just for the sake of it, for marketing, because people still expect the giant leaps that we had in the earlier years. Everyone knows this (Apple made a whole ad about 'not much has changed'[2]). [1]: https://daringfireball.net/2012/05/ios_low_hanging_fruit https://daringfireball.net/2012/05/ios_low_hanging_fruit [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwQjHZp9I6w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwQjHZp9I6w
  - icantdrive55 9y ago
    I wish they would stop tinkering, and go on a immediate software diet. I was very happy with my devices in 2008. Yes--I was younger, and had more money, but I liked the web better, my devices, and my software. "My software"--oops! And most of my devices I don't really own.
  - hrktb 9y ago
    I still think a awful lot of things are left to do that are not moonshots. Phones physically break a lot. There should be better ways than rubber cases or glued rings to help people not drop the gigantic phones we have now. Wearable integration is limited and uninspired. Aside from bulky watches and bracelets nothing got attention. Bluetooth connectivity still seems like a dumpster fire, things like airpod are coming, but it’s far from a solved problem in my opinion. In the same vain communication among devices owned by the smae person is still primitive. We now have computers, phones, tablets, speaking cylinders, NAS and media serveds and short of buying every single one of them from the same company they won’t speak together.
    - madeofpalk 9y ago
      > Wearable integration is limited and uninspired. Aside from bulky watches and bracelets nothing got attention. I actually think this is a symptom of the same problem. 'Wearables' were/are an attempt at creating a next 'iPhone' - new device category to get big wows for every year. Unfortunately, the market need wasnt/isnt really there for it, apart from some fitness accessories.
jwagenet 9y ago
If I am using my 6 when the battery is <50% and the phone has gotten too cold, I can reliably cause the phone to shut down if I try to use Snapchat. In combination with your Tinder experiences, this can confirm OP's experience using both apps, where each seems to be using an outsize portion of system resources.
- Klonoar 9y ago
  This is very interesting, and I'd love to see if other people experience this... wonder what they could be doing that's causing it?
jrs95 9y ago
This is definitely true imo. But regardless, the amount of issues I’ve had with macOS especially have been pretty bad recently, and getting worse with each release.
- Klonoar 9y ago
  If we're talking macOS, I agree - my initial comment was specifically re: iOS. :) Could talk at length about what macOS needs better... although I still don't think it's worse than Windows or Linux/BSD, like some might.
  - jrs95 9y ago
    Personally I’m kind of torn at this point. I definitely don’t like the potential driver issues that often come with Linux. But in my recent experience, macOS is now less reliable than most Linux installations I’ve had were.
JustSomeNobody 9y ago
I have a 6 (for work) and a 6S (for me). Both batteries are still in good (and very good for the 6S) condition. I run pretty much stock phones; I don't install many apps and the ones I do are generally well behaved (nothing like Facebook, Snapchat, etc). iOS 11 on the 6S was (is?) a complete sh%$show. Very unstable. Tried normal releases, betas, dev betas, DFU after DFU after DFU. Nothing helped. I finally went back to 10.3.3 and could not be happier. The 6 is running fine on ios 11. It lags when opening iMessage or email, but that's probably more due to the 1GB RAM than anything else.
- KSS42 9y ago
  I have 3.5 yr old 6+. With old battery, it was throttled to 600MHz. Changed battery(just before prices dropped) and now runs at 1400MHz again. It runs great. (Still on 10.3.3) Rock solid.

brazzledazzle 9y ago

With Apple I feel like it’s more about whether or not you deviate from the golden path they develop and test for. It’s harder to stray from it on iOS but not impossible and doing so results in a very frustrating experience.

raquo 9y ago

Well it can go either way. I'm fed up with misguided developments in both hardware and software of smartphones – both Apple and Androids – and have lost all excitement I used to have about that. Same goes for some of my family. I am not loud about that because I don't care anymore because none of the devices on the market suit my needs, and I gave up on that ever changing. I think my case is more common than any loud opinions out there.

madeofpalk 9y ago
> [I] have lost all excitement I used to have about that. Same goes for some of my family. I actually think this is a part of the problem. We watched essentially a completely new product category invented in front of our eyes and watched it mature. The lowest hanging fruit were picked years ago (by 2012, in fact![1]). Android caught up to iPhone in a very serious way. What's left to do? I feel like both platforms are in a state where they're 'innovating' just for the sake of it, for marketing, because people still expect the giant leaps that we had in the earlier years. Everyone knows this (Apple made a whole ad about 'not much has changed'[2]). [1]: https://daringfireball.net/2012/05/ios_low_hanging_fruit https://daringfireball.net/2012/05/ios_low_hanging_fruit [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwQjHZp9I6w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwQjHZp9I6w
- icantdrive55 9y ago
  I wish they would stop tinkering, and go on a immediate software diet. I was very happy with my devices in 2008. Yes--I was younger, and had more money, but I liked the web better, my devices, and my software. "My software"--oops! And most of my devices I don't really own.
- hrktb 9y ago
  I still think a awful lot of things are left to do that are not moonshots. Phones physically break a lot. There should be better ways than rubber cases or glued rings to help people not drop the gigantic phones we have now. Wearable integration is limited and uninspired. Aside from bulky watches and bracelets nothing got attention. Bluetooth connectivity still seems like a dumpster fire, things like airpod are coming, but it’s far from a solved problem in my opinion. In the same vain communication among devices owned by the smae person is still primitive. We now have computers, phones, tablets, speaking cylinders, NAS and media serveds and short of buying every single one of them from the same company they won’t speak together.
  - madeofpalk 9y ago
    > Wearable integration is limited and uninspired. Aside from bulky watches and bracelets nothing got attention. I actually think this is a symptom of the same problem. 'Wearables' were/are an attempt at creating a next 'iPhone' - new device category to get big wows for every year. Unfortunately, the market need wasnt/isnt really there for it, apart from some fitness accessories.

jwagenet 9y ago

If I am using my 6 when the battery is <50% and the phone has gotten too cold, I can reliably cause the phone to shut down if I try to use Snapchat. In combination with your Tinder experiences, this can confirm OP's experience using both apps, where each seems to be using an outsize portion of system resources.

Klonoar 9y ago
This is very interesting, and I'd love to see if other people experience this... wonder what they could be doing that's causing it?

jrs95 9y ago

This is definitely true imo. But regardless, the amount of issues I’ve had with macOS especially have been pretty bad recently, and getting worse with each release.

Klonoar 9y ago
If we're talking macOS, I agree - my initial comment was specifically re: iOS. :) Could talk at length about what macOS needs better... although I still don't think it's worse than Windows or Linux/BSD, like some might.
- jrs95 9y ago
  Personally I’m kind of torn at this point. I definitely don’t like the potential driver issues that often come with Linux. But in my recent experience, macOS is now less reliable than most Linux installations I’ve had were.

JustSomeNobody 9y ago

I have a 6 (for work) and a 6S (for me). Both batteries are still in good (and very good for the 6S) condition. I run pretty much stock phones; I don't install many apps and the ones I do are generally well behaved (nothing like Facebook, Snapchat, etc). iOS 11 on the 6S was (is?) a complete sh%$show. Very unstable. Tried normal releases, betas, dev betas, DFU after DFU after DFU. Nothing helped. I finally went back to 10.3.3 and could not be happier. The 6 is running fine on ios 11. It lags when opening iMessage or email, but that's probably more due to the 1GB RAM than anything else.

KSS42 9y ago
I have 3.5 yr old 6+. With old battery, it was throttled to 600MHz. Changed battery(just before prices dropped) and now runs at 1400MHz again. It runs great. (Still on 10.3.3) Rock solid.