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Definitely not, here's a classic example of the mainstream skier attitude of the time: https://youtu.be/XPZDEWBzneY https://youtu.be/XPZDEWBzneY I think the pe

Definitely not, here's a classic example of the mainstream skier attitude of the time: https://youtu.be/XPZDEWBzneY https://youtu.be/XPZDEWBzneY I think the people like Warren were more or less revolting against the culture of the time. Nowadays it's just the norm - most people aren't really wound up even if they're mostly focusing on improving their skills. Maybe there are fewer people dialing goof to the max but in my experience most young skiers and boarders drink and smoke on the slopes - that sort of thing. Also there's movies like G.N.A.R. that are recent.

ghaff 9y ago
Snowboards were definitely controversial when they came out. A lot of it was probably "Get off my lawn" driven by the fact that snowboarders tended to be younger and more aggressive. So people didn't really like them although the same snowboarders running over their skis would have been doing it no matter what they had strapped to their feet. But people sort of justified their attitude with claims that snowboarders scraped the snow off the slopes, couldn't really see where they were going, etc. In the US there's only one major and one smaller area that don't allow snowboards today. I didn't realize it but there was a lawsuit against one of the areas a couple years back but they won and still don't allow snowboards.
- zwily 9y ago
  There are 2 resorts in Utah that don't allow snowboarders - are those what you're referring to?
  - ghaff 9y ago
    Ah, my mistake. Forgot that, in addition to Alta, they're not allowed at Deer Valley either. Mad River Glen in Vermont is the other one I know of. It's not a tiny area but relatively small. (And the only one of the three I haven't skied at.)
- sulam 9y ago
  Speaking as a snowboarder, I take different lines than a skier does and I get off the chair lift differently. So I see why they don't interact well on the slopes. In practice, everyone has adapted, though.
- gumby 9y ago
  There was definitely a "get off my lawn" aspect to it but the thing that really led to acceptance was the dire economics of ski resorts: they needed boarders because the number of skiiers wasn't growing, and they were aging out. Sad statistic: of people who put on skis for the first time (and remember first timers get free tickets and equipment at most locations in the US): only 25% of them ever put skis on a second time!
  - ghaff 9y ago
    As snowboarding grew in popularity it just wasn't feasible for the vast majority of ski areas to continue disallowing them even if many skiers would have preferred they did so. The situation was actually worse as just the percentage of snowboarders; a mixed family or group of friends aren't going to go somewhere that one of their folks couldn't board at. Interestingly the percentage of boarders is down a bit though still significant. >Sad statistic: of people who put on skis for the first time (and remember first timers get free tickets and equipment at most locations in the US): only 25% of them ever put skis on a second time! Not really surprising. Equipment is much better than it was when I learned but I nonetheless remember skiing having a fairly painful learning curve for me. I'm sure a lot of people go out, they don't really have the right clothing, and they fall a lot, get cold, get wet, and really just don't have a good time. I'm sure it's true for a lot of other sports as well.
dmix 9y ago
That's a great video about snowboarding, as some people said in the comments it almost sounds like a parody today.

ghaff 9y ago

Snowboards were definitely controversial when they came out. A lot of it was probably "Get off my lawn" driven by the fact that snowboarders tended to be younger and more aggressive. So people didn't really like them although the same snowboarders running over their skis would have been doing it no matter what they had strapped to their feet. But people sort of justified their attitude with claims that snowboarders scraped the snow off the slopes, couldn't really see where they were going, etc. In the US there's only one major and one smaller area that don't allow snowboards today. I didn't realize it but there was a lawsuit against one of the areas a couple years back but they won and still don't allow snowboards.

zwily 9y ago
There are 2 resorts in Utah that don't allow snowboarders - are those what you're referring to?
- ghaff 9y ago
  Ah, my mistake. Forgot that, in addition to Alta, they're not allowed at Deer Valley either. Mad River Glen in Vermont is the other one I know of. It's not a tiny area but relatively small. (And the only one of the three I haven't skied at.)
sulam 9y ago
Speaking as a snowboarder, I take different lines than a skier does and I get off the chair lift differently. So I see why they don't interact well on the slopes. In practice, everyone has adapted, though.
gumby 9y ago
There was definitely a "get off my lawn" aspect to it but the thing that really led to acceptance was the dire economics of ski resorts: they needed boarders because the number of skiiers wasn't growing, and they were aging out. Sad statistic: of people who put on skis for the first time (and remember first timers get free tickets and equipment at most locations in the US): only 25% of them ever put skis on a second time!
- ghaff 9y ago
  As snowboarding grew in popularity it just wasn't feasible for the vast majority of ski areas to continue disallowing them even if many skiers would have preferred they did so. The situation was actually worse as just the percentage of snowboarders; a mixed family or group of friends aren't going to go somewhere that one of their folks couldn't board at. Interestingly the percentage of boarders is down a bit though still significant. >Sad statistic: of people who put on skis for the first time (and remember first timers get free tickets and equipment at most locations in the US): only 25% of them ever put skis on a second time! Not really surprising. Equipment is much better than it was when I learned but I nonetheless remember skiing having a fairly painful learning curve for me. I'm sure a lot of people go out, they don't really have the right clothing, and they fall a lot, get cold, get wet, and really just don't have a good time. I'm sure it's true for a lot of other sports as well.

dmix 9y ago

That's a great video about snowboarding, as some people said in the comments it almost sounds like a parody today.