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> someone outside tech He's been a video game developer for decades. Is that considered to be "outside tech" now? > a playbook for sabotaging people with poli

by lj3 9y ago

> someone outside tech He's been a video game developer for decades. Is that considered to be "outside tech" now? > a playbook for sabotaging people with political views opposed to his own How is that any different from Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals?

dahdum 9y ago
It's not, "make them play by their own rules" is universal.
geofft 9y ago
> He's been a video game developer for decades. Is that considered to be "outside tech" now? Isn't it the opposite - he hasn't been a video game developer for decades? I think the last project he was involved with was The War in Heaven in 1999, which I can only find negative reviews about, both in terms of storyline and technical quality. And even if he were still involved, I think an indie video game studio is still in a relevant sense outside the tech industry - I don't believe he's e.g. interviewing at Google or any other tech company. I take voice lessons and sing at churches and so forth, but I'm certainly an outsider to the music industry, even though I can sing pretty well. If I were trying to push my politics on the music industry, that would be pretty different from someone who has a recording contract doing the same. > How is that any different from Saul Alinky's Rules for Radicals? As far as I know, nobody is saying "I'm following Alinsky's playbook to disrupt this tech company I don't work at." (There might be conspiracy theories that people are doing that, but that's rather different from someone outright saying as much, which is what we have here.) I do agree that if someone were doing that, it would be equally worth criticizing.
- lj3 9y ago
  > he hasn't been a video game developer for decades? No, his primary source of income is still and continues to be video game development. He simply shifted to the European market when he moved there. > As far as I know, nobody is saying "I'm following Alinsky's playbook to disrupt this tech company I don't work at." You must not be looking too awfully hard, then. There have been hundreds of instances of people trying to get other people fired at companies they don't work for. Most (if not all of them) have read that book. In fact, there were entire countries that were overthrown in the 70s where that book was used as a manual.
  - geofft 9y ago
    I did not know that, thanks - I thought his primary income was science fiction writing. What has he worked on recently? Web searches are not bringing up much, but maybe he's just secretive about his employment (which would be entirely understandable)?

by lj3 9y ago

dahdum 9y ago

It's not, "make them play by their own rules" is universal.

geofft 9y ago

> He's been a video game developer for decades. Is that considered to be "outside tech" now? Isn't it the opposite - he hasn't been a video game developer for decades? I think the last project he was involved with was The War in Heaven in 1999, which I can only find negative reviews about, both in terms of storyline and technical quality. And even if he were still involved, I think an indie video game studio is still in a relevant sense outside the tech industry - I don't believe he's e.g. interviewing at Google or any other tech company. I take voice lessons and sing at churches and so forth, but I'm certainly an outsider to the music industry, even though I can sing pretty well. If I were trying to push my politics on the music industry, that would be pretty different from someone who has a recording contract doing the same. > How is that any different from Saul Alinky's Rules for Radicals? As far as I know, nobody is saying "I'm following Alinsky's playbook to disrupt this tech company I don't work at." (There might be conspiracy theories that people are doing that, but that's rather different from someone outright saying as much, which is what we have here.) I do agree that if someone were doing that, it would be equally worth criticizing.

lj3 9y ago
> he hasn't been a video game developer for decades? No, his primary source of income is still and continues to be video game development. He simply shifted to the European market when he moved there. > As far as I know, nobody is saying "I'm following Alinsky's playbook to disrupt this tech company I don't work at." You must not be looking too awfully hard, then. There have been hundreds of instances of people trying to get other people fired at companies they don't work for. Most (if not all of them) have read that book. In fact, there were entire countries that were overthrown in the 70s where that book was used as a manual.
- geofft 9y ago
  I did not know that, thanks - I thought his primary income was science fiction writing. What has he worked on recently? Web searches are not bringing up much, but maybe he's just secretive about his employment (which would be entirely understandable)?