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Right on. The government in Hungary are scandalous in their treatment of immigrants and their own Roma people. And to think, it was only 13 years ago we let the

Right on. The government in Hungary are scandalous in their treatment of immigrants and their own Roma people. And to think, it was only 13 years ago we let them into the EU. When, in turn, people on their doorstep in trouble come knocking, the door is firmly slammed in their face.

PopsiclePete 9y ago
Eastern European and Western European countries' past history and experience is very different from one another. And events that happened 600 years ago influence that world-view to this day. The way an "enlightened" Frenchman or Italian might view Turkey is very, very different from how a Bulgarian (such as myself) or Serb would view them. As to who's more "correct" in their view, well - that's a whole different subject. These are complex issues and calling Hungary a bunch of racist twats is exactly the same as what Hungarians are doing to "refugees", who, interestingly enough, are disproportionately young men, in good physical condition, running away from countries that are not Syria or otherwise in a state of war. Some of the photographs I've seen of the border crossing show a distinct and very noticeable lack of women and children. And that in itself is also a very interesting subject we could debate for hours.
- s2g 9y ago
  > Some of the photographs I've seen of the border crossing and you trust those photos?
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    The most popular set of photos used to spread this meme are scenes of a group of migrants arriving by train in Munich (not at a border crossing) that are exclusively young men; for reasons not entirely clear to me they were on a separate train from the women and children in the same group, who arrived the next day. There's also pictures of groups of boat refugees that show a large imbalance, which is true of those using that mode of transport, who often leave women and children to follow on once they've found a place because of the extreme danger of the route (which, yes, might evidence some degree of non-progressive concept of gender roles, but that's not the issue being raised.)
- eecc 9y ago
  What are you insinuating? Might be running from forced conscriptions. Or mass graves, remember Srebrenica.
qbaqbaqba 9y ago
Someone may say we(central and eastern Europeans) let your (western European I guess) companies in;) http://piketty.blog.lemonde.fr/2018/01/16/2018-the-year-of-europe/ http://piketty.blog.lemonde.fr/2018/01/16/2018-the-year-of-e...

PopsiclePete 9y ago

Eastern European and Western European countries' past history and experience is very different from one another. And events that happened 600 years ago influence that world-view to this day. The way an "enlightened" Frenchman or Italian might view Turkey is very, very different from how a Bulgarian (such as myself) or Serb would view them. As to who's more "correct" in their view, well - that's a whole different subject. These are complex issues and calling Hungary a bunch of racist twats is exactly the same as what Hungarians are doing to "refugees", who, interestingly enough, are disproportionately young men, in good physical condition, running away from countries that are not Syria or otherwise in a state of war. Some of the photographs I've seen of the border crossing show a distinct and very noticeable lack of women and children. And that in itself is also a very interesting subject we could debate for hours.

s2g 9y ago
> Some of the photographs I've seen of the border crossing and you trust those photos?
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  The most popular set of photos used to spread this meme are scenes of a group of migrants arriving by train in Munich (not at a border crossing) that are exclusively young men; for reasons not entirely clear to me they were on a separate train from the women and children in the same group, who arrived the next day. There's also pictures of groups of boat refugees that show a large imbalance, which is true of those using that mode of transport, who often leave women and children to follow on once they've found a place because of the extreme danger of the route (which, yes, might evidence some degree of non-progressive concept of gender roles, but that's not the issue being raised.)
eecc 9y ago
What are you insinuating? Might be running from forced conscriptions. Or mass graves, remember Srebrenica.

qbaqbaqba 9y ago

Someone may say we(central and eastern Europeans) let your (western European I guess) companies in;) http://piketty.blog.lemonde.fr/2018/01/16/2018-the-year-of-europe/ http://piketty.blog.lemonde.fr/2018/01/16/2018-the-year-of-e...