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But if they knew it was going on it can hardly have been relevant for the election.

by ThomPete 9y ago

moorhosj 9y ago
That is a leap in logic the article does not make. How did you come to that conclusion?
- ThomPete 9y ago
  I am not saying the article is saying that. I am simply wondering why it's been tied to the election then. If the CIA and NSA were aware of this going on, unless they are outright incompetent and Obama didn't care then they must have known all along that they were being broken into.
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    Obama knew and wanted to alert the public. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell informed Obama that if he did carry out the alert that he would cry partisan politics and interference in the election by the sitting administration. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-mcconnell-wanted-no-part-in-bipartisan-warning-of-russian-interference/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-mcconnell-wanted-no-part-... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/12/why-didnt-obama-reveal-intel-about-russias-influence-on-the-election/510242/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/12/why-d...
    - ThomPete 9y ago
      Why would he alert the public? Why not just deal with it internally? But i can see that this discussion is already getting toxic with the amount of downvotes so whatevs.
      - 52-6F-62 9y ago
        By that point the US was actively seeing known Russian attempts to penetrate various electoral systems. He probably would have had to call for a delay of the election or something equally drastic. You can imagine the uproar that would follow. Shortly after the election the US expelled 35 diplomats and shuttered a Russian-owned compound. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/29/barack-obama-sanctions-russia-election-hack https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/29/barack-obama... That, and the FBI had started an investigation into the interference (which is often decried as a hoax or other silly terms). The CIA and NSA had been working on it for some time, however if you read the article, the Russian actors had already penetrated other state services and were moving moving quickly. It was a cat and mouse game at that point. Members of the senate signed a letter noting that they were aware of Russia's interference and called for them to stop when the president couldn't speak publicly about it. I'm curious about what other acts you suggest he could have pursued.
        ThomPete 9y ago
        The point is the tying to Trump which seems absurd now. Anyway im getting downvoted for even suggesting this and dont want to give the people who cant argue their case more opportunities than this.
nl 9y ago
It’s a fair point because most of the story wasn’t about the DNC. But they also saw the DNC hack later on: Together with another group of Russian hackers (Fancy Bear, also known as APT28), Cozy Bear is also held responsible for the cyberintrusion of the DNC. In April 2016, Fancy Bear accessed the Washington servers of the Democrats; Cozy Bear had done so as early as the summer of 2015. Once more, the group was caught red-handed by the Dutch, who again alerted their U.S. counterparts.

But if they knew it was going on it can hardly have been relevant for the election.

moorhosj 9y ago

That is a leap in logic the article does not make. How did you come to that conclusion?

ThomPete 9y ago
I am not saying the article is saying that. I am simply wondering why it's been tied to the election then. If the CIA and NSA were aware of this going on, unless they are outright incompetent and Obama didn't care then they must have known all along that they were being broken into.
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  Obama knew and wanted to alert the public. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell informed Obama that if he did carry out the alert that he would cry partisan politics and interference in the election by the sitting administration. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-mcconnell-wanted-no-part-in-bipartisan-warning-of-russian-interference/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-mcconnell-wanted-no-part-... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/12/why-didnt-obama-reveal-intel-about-russias-influence-on-the-election/510242/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/12/why-d...
  - ThomPete 9y ago
    Why would he alert the public? Why not just deal with it internally? But i can see that this discussion is already getting toxic with the amount of downvotes so whatevs.
    - 52-6F-62 9y ago
      By that point the US was actively seeing known Russian attempts to penetrate various electoral systems. He probably would have had to call for a delay of the election or something equally drastic. You can imagine the uproar that would follow. Shortly after the election the US expelled 35 diplomats and shuttered a Russian-owned compound. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/29/barack-obama-sanctions-russia-election-hack https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/29/barack-obama... That, and the FBI had started an investigation into the interference (which is often decried as a hoax or other silly terms). The CIA and NSA had been working on it for some time, however if you read the article, the Russian actors had already penetrated other state services and were moving moving quickly. It was a cat and mouse game at that point. Members of the senate signed a letter noting that they were aware of Russia's interference and called for them to stop when the president couldn't speak publicly about it. I'm curious about what other acts you suggest he could have pursued.
      - ThomPete 9y ago
        The point is the tying to Trump which seems absurd now. Anyway im getting downvoted for even suggesting this and dont want to give the people who cant argue their case more opportunities than this.

nl 9y ago

It’s a fair point because most of the story wasn’t about the DNC. But they also saw the DNC hack later on: Together with another group of Russian hackers (Fancy Bear, also known as APT28), Cozy Bear is also held responsible for the cyberintrusion of the DNC. In April 2016, Fancy Bear accessed the Washington servers of the Democrats; Cozy Bear had done so as early as the summer of 2015. Once more, the group was caught red-handed by the Dutch, who again alerted their U.S. counterparts.