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From [1]: The truth is that collecting information about people allows you to make significantly better products, and the more information you collect, the bett

by tjoff 9y ago

From [1]: The truth is that collecting information about people allows you to make significantly better products, and the more information you collect, the better products you can build That is a hilariously absurd statement. Collecting data has never been about making better products. And apple being pro-privacy is equally absurd, they just haven't gone full retard and started collecting everything they can. Which I guess is noteworthy of a company its size today, but don't confuse that with pro-privacy. It is just what everyone would expect of any sane entity. The climate of today just means we've set the bar so low that some confuse it for "pro-privacy" to care the slightest of it's consumers.

virgilp 9y ago
> Collecting data has never been about making better products. That's a strong statement. Especially given that I know for sure data that is collected exactly for that purpose within my company.
- taneq 9y ago
  Maybe you'd consider an alternate statement: "Collecting data is no longer solely about making better products."
bfred_it 9y ago
> Collecting data has never been about making better products. I’d argue that Google Maps is a much better product BECAUSE it collects a whole lot of information from its users. The most visible one is the traffic information, you literally cannot provide that information world wide without collecting data from your users (unless you want to burn all your money on installing sensors on every street corner in the world)
cal5k 9y ago
I don’t think that’s objectively true. Apple has been making deliberate tradeoffs that favour privacy where it would be easier and possibly better UX not to do so. Siri is a pretty classic example of these tradeoffs in action.
new299 9y ago
Saying a company is "pro" anything is probably a bit of a stretch. But Apple have made a number of public statements, and fought against the US government taking a stand on for the privacy of their users. Given the option available, they seem to take the one of stronger stands on privacy (for a company developing their own phones/operating systems).

by tjoff 9y ago

virgilp 9y ago

> Collecting data has never been about making better products. That's a strong statement. Especially given that I know for sure data that is collected exactly for that purpose within my company.

taneq 9y ago
Maybe you'd consider an alternate statement: "Collecting data is no longer solely about making better products."

bfred_it 9y ago

> Collecting data has never been about making better products. I’d argue that Google Maps is a much better product BECAUSE it collects a whole lot of information from its users. The most visible one is the traffic information, you literally cannot provide that information world wide without collecting data from your users (unless you want to burn all your money on installing sensors on every street corner in the world)

cal5k 9y ago

I don’t think that’s objectively true. Apple has been making deliberate tradeoffs that favour privacy where it would be easier and possibly better UX not to do so. Siri is a pretty classic example of these tradeoffs in action.

new299 9y ago

Saying a company is "pro" anything is probably a bit of a stretch. But Apple have made a number of public statements, and fought against the US government taking a stand on for the privacy of their users. Given the option available, they seem to take the one of stronger stands on privacy (for a company developing their own phones/operating systems).