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This is entirely peripheral to the discussion but I actually attempted to “watch” the live feed of Soros’ speech on facebook.bloomberg.etc You know, where the

by aj7 9y ago

This is entirely peripheral to the discussion but I actually attempted to “watch” the live feed of Soros’ speech on facebook.bloomberg.etc You know, where the little face emojis, each with a comment, flash across the stream. Never saw such unabashed hatred for anyone. Lies that a nine-year-old Jewish kid was a Nazi collaborator, implications that he was Satan, plaintive wishes that he would just die, “the works.” It was a remarkable focus and quantity of pure hatred of a single person.

dsacco 9y ago
Your description reminds me of Black Mirror Season 3 Episode 6, Hated In The Nation.
crusso 9y ago
Do you think it would be any different for a speech from one of the Koch brothers? People who use their wealth to directly influence the political process are particularly reviled by their ideological opponents.
- deleted 9y ago
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- croon 9y ago
  https://www.google.se/search?q=ben+garrison+soros&tbm=isch https://www.google.se/search?q=ben+garrison+soros&tbm=isch https://www.google.se/search?q=infowars+soros https://www.google.se/search?q=infowars+soros (400k+ hits) Try this with breitbart, glenn beck, fox news, right wing subreddits etc. Is there any similar counterpart for Kochs and Mercers et al?
  - crusso 9y ago
    Are you wondering if there are lots of political cartoons for them? Seems to be. https://www.google.com/search?q=koch+political+cartoons&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZgt__1vXYAhULrFMKHdKnDSsQ_AUICigB&biw=1360&bih=752 https://www.google.com/search?q=koch+political+cartoons&sour...
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  I think this description isn't damning the person giving the speech, but the hateful audience.
  - crusso 9y ago
    So you're saying that Koch brother audiences are less hateful? Have you spent any time on twitter? Have you found a particularly virtuous and polite political camp that doesn't vitriolically attack their opponents?
    - TeMPOraL 9y ago
      I'm saying that I'm more inclined to group Soros and Koch brothers together in one group, and hateful audiences on both in the second group. I'm also inclined to dislike that second group more than the first one.
csomar 9y ago
Soros is a vocal capitalist. His speeches were very informational to my trading activity. Average people can’t handle the truth.
- briantakita 9y ago
  Did Soros inform you to short MGM stocks before the Las Vegas shooting?
  - abiox 9y ago
    why did you post this comment? is there some kind of implication? or is it just a nonsequitur?
    - briantakita 9y ago
      It's not an implication, just curiosity. Some claim Soros shorted MGM shortly before the Vegas shooting. Could be coincidence or just a rumor (i.e. misinformation)... Easy to verify one way or the other. --- Edit: Unless I'm reading this wrong, there's a PUT for 42242 shares of MGM RESORTS INTERNATIONAL effective 20170814. The Las Vegas shooting was 20171001. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1029160/000114036117031995/0001140361-17-031995-index.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1029160/000114036117... Either way, this gets into murky territory. I'm not implying whether Soros had insider information, but the timing & circumstances will certainly raise questions. I'm sure one can read between the lines re: taking investment advice from Soros. I regret coming across as being confrontational. Just FYI...YMMV. Same with MGM Chair & CEO James Murren. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/789570/000112760217027217/xslF345X01/form4.xml https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/789570/0001127602170...
      - mikeyouse 9y ago
        > I'm not implying whether Soros had insider information, but the timing & circumstances will certainly raise questions. You're explicitly implying that he had knowledge of an impending mass shooting. "I'm just asking questions" is a coward's defense. The 13F is filed after the quarter in which the trades are made, so this one covered the 2nd Quarter of 2017. This means that the trade was entered sometime between April and June of last year. So the timeline of your conspiracy theory: * May-June 2017 - Soros learns that there's going to be a mass shooting at an MGM property and takes out a moderate short position while the stock trades between $27-$34. He does this under his own name at a fund with mandatory disclosure requirements. * September 8th - The shooter books his room at the MGM after examining several other properties, including so called "Dry Runs" at a festival in Chicago at non-MGM properties. * October 1st - Shooting occurs. * October 2nd - MGM trading resumes and the stock is down sharply .... to $31/share. It briefly dips below $30/share a few weeks later but eventually climbs back to $36/share. So Soros is this evil genius that knows when mass shootings will occur and decides to profit instead of alerting the authorities, but he's so incompetent that he doesn't make any money via these suspicious short positions. Cool.
rumcajz 9y ago
I bet a lot of these comments come from central Europe, where Orban and his likes discovered that Soros fits well into the popular image of bad rich Jewish capitalist conspiring for world dominance. They use him to appeal to latently antisemitic voters. And mind you, the commenters are mostly not young neo-Nazi holocaust deniers. They are old men and aging ladies, often looking back to the glorious days of communist regime. Also, they don't deny holocaust at all. Rather they regret it wasn't drawn to completion.

by aj7 9y ago

dsacco 9y ago

Your description reminds me of Black Mirror Season 3 Episode 6, Hated In The Nation.

crusso 9y ago

Do you think it would be any different for a speech from one of the Koch brothers? People who use their wealth to directly influence the political process are particularly reviled by their ideological opponents.

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croon 9y ago
https://www.google.se/search?q=ben+garrison+soros&tbm=isch https://www.google.se/search?q=ben+garrison+soros&tbm=isch https://www.google.se/search?q=infowars+soros https://www.google.se/search?q=infowars+soros (400k+ hits) Try this with breitbart, glenn beck, fox news, right wing subreddits etc. Is there any similar counterpart for Kochs and Mercers et al?
- crusso 9y ago
  Are you wondering if there are lots of political cartoons for them? Seems to be. https://www.google.com/search?q=koch+political+cartoons&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZgt__1vXYAhULrFMKHdKnDSsQ_AUICigB&biw=1360&bih=752 https://www.google.com/search?q=koch+political+cartoons&sour...
TeMPOraL 9y ago
I think this description isn't damning the person giving the speech, but the hateful audience.
- crusso 9y ago
  So you're saying that Koch brother audiences are less hateful? Have you spent any time on twitter? Have you found a particularly virtuous and polite political camp that doesn't vitriolically attack their opponents?
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    I'm saying that I'm more inclined to group Soros and Koch brothers together in one group, and hateful audiences on both in the second group. I'm also inclined to dislike that second group more than the first one.

csomar 9y ago

Soros is a vocal capitalist. His speeches were very informational to my trading activity. Average people can’t handle the truth.

briantakita 9y ago
Did Soros inform you to short MGM stocks before the Las Vegas shooting?
- abiox 9y ago
  why did you post this comment? is there some kind of implication? or is it just a nonsequitur?
  - briantakita 9y ago
    It's not an implication, just curiosity. Some claim Soros shorted MGM shortly before the Vegas shooting. Could be coincidence or just a rumor (i.e. misinformation)... Easy to verify one way or the other. --- Edit: Unless I'm reading this wrong, there's a PUT for 42242 shares of MGM RESORTS INTERNATIONAL effective 20170814. The Las Vegas shooting was 20171001. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1029160/000114036117031995/0001140361-17-031995-index.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1029160/000114036117... Either way, this gets into murky territory. I'm not implying whether Soros had insider information, but the timing & circumstances will certainly raise questions. I'm sure one can read between the lines re: taking investment advice from Soros. I regret coming across as being confrontational. Just FYI...YMMV. Same with MGM Chair & CEO James Murren. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/789570/000112760217027217/xslF345X01/form4.xml https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/789570/0001127602170...
    - mikeyouse 9y ago
      > I'm not implying whether Soros had insider information, but the timing & circumstances will certainly raise questions. You're explicitly implying that he had knowledge of an impending mass shooting. "I'm just asking questions" is a coward's defense. The 13F is filed after the quarter in which the trades are made, so this one covered the 2nd Quarter of 2017. This means that the trade was entered sometime between April and June of last year. So the timeline of your conspiracy theory: * May-June 2017 - Soros learns that there's going to be a mass shooting at an MGM property and takes out a moderate short position while the stock trades between $27-$34. He does this under his own name at a fund with mandatory disclosure requirements. * September 8th - The shooter books his room at the MGM after examining several other properties, including so called "Dry Runs" at a festival in Chicago at non-MGM properties. * October 1st - Shooting occurs. * October 2nd - MGM trading resumes and the stock is down sharply .... to $31/share. It briefly dips below $30/share a few weeks later but eventually climbs back to $36/share. So Soros is this evil genius that knows when mass shootings will occur and decides to profit instead of alerting the authorities, but he's so incompetent that he doesn't make any money via these suspicious short positions. Cool.

rumcajz 9y ago

I bet a lot of these comments come from central Europe, where Orban and his likes discovered that Soros fits well into the popular image of bad rich Jewish capitalist conspiring for world dominance. They use him to appeal to latently antisemitic voters. And mind you, the commenters are mostly not young neo-Nazi holocaust deniers. They are old men and aging ladies, often looking back to the glorious days of communist regime. Also, they don't deny holocaust at all. Rather they regret it wasn't drawn to completion.