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it's a nice story, and that's just what it is. nothing is confirmed by anyone other than a mass media / news outlet, keep that in mind while you read. us democr

it's a nice story, and that's just what it is. nothing is confirmed by anyone other than a mass media / news outlet, keep that in mind while you read. us democratic party is more friendly with Netherlands than republican party etc. Now that's not saying that this never happened, but need to stay objective and consider the bigger picture.

ralfn 9y ago
As a dutch person I want to make one thing very clear. We mostly distinguish not between Republicans and Democrats (since neither fits any political identity here), but between people that make everything about politics and people who don't. To suggest we fall for the same partisan trap that is currently responsible for the complete cultural and social fabric unraveling in the US is insulting. We are a much more cultural homogenous country. Our political extremes are not debating whether the earth is round, climate change is happening or if our AIVD has video of Russians hackers doing these actual things. The fact that Holland shared this information with the US during both presidents (Obama, Trump) is because we have a bone to pick with Russia after they shot down a plane with many dutch citizen in them above Ukraine. The reason this information comes out at this particular moment, i.e. the timing. Is because Trump bragged to Putin about how the US has such good friends they could see the Russian hackers (remember this happening? Your agencies getting angry at Trump for leaking secrets?). That likely destroyed the operation. So now the timing of the leak of this factually correct information is all about how to do him (personally) the most harm. This is not Republicans or Democrats. This is about Trump and Putin both getting a knee for their disrespect to us. Please be smart enough to not stand in the way.

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it's a nice story, and that's just what it is. nothing is confirmed by anyone other than a mass media / news outlet, keep that in mind while you read. us democr

by vectorEQ 9y ago

ralfn 9y ago
As a dutch person I want to make one thing very clear. We mostly distinguish not between Republicans and Democrats (since neither fits any political identity here), but between people that make everything about politics and people who don't. To suggest we fall for the same partisan trap that is currently responsible for the complete cultural and social fabric unraveling in the US is insulting. We are a much more cultural homogenous country. Our political extremes are not debating whether the earth is round, climate change is happening or if our AIVD has video of Russians hackers doing these actual things. The fact that Holland shared this information with the US during both presidents (Obama, Trump) is because we have a bone to pick with Russia after they shot down a plane with many dutch citizen in them above Ukraine. The reason this information comes out at this particular moment, i.e. the timing. Is because Trump bragged to Putin about how the US has such good friends they could see the Russian hackers (remember this happening? Your agencies getting angry at Trump for leaking secrets?). That likely destroyed the operation. So now the timing of the leak of this factually correct information is all about how to do him (personally) the most harm. This is not Republicans or Democrats. This is about Trump and Putin both getting a knee for their disrespect to us. Please be smart enough to not stand in the way.