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> It's interesting they didn't have confidence in the babysitter's ability to take care of you for an evening but still chose to hire them and then monitored th

> It's interesting they didn't have confidence in the babysitter's ability to take care of you for an evening but still chose to hire them and then monitored them via payphone. No one questioned the babysitter's competence. They're your children -- you're going to want to call and check to see how things are going.

blattimwind 9y ago
Uhm, yes you are, and pretty clearly at that.
- scoggs 9y ago
  No, not really. If someone goes out for drinks, then dinner, then a show and the night is going really well maybe the parents want to call and check in. They want to see how the nights going for the babysitter and kid. Are the kids asleep? Is the babysitter content to make some more money for a few extra hours? I think that's all entirely reasonable. It really has little to do with the matter at hand but having to wait in a line to submit or retrieve your phone, be sequestered to a penned in area to use your phone, and then to have to wait in line again to put your phone back into that "prison" system again seems like overkill. I know that's the only way we've been able to identify that works but I don't think there is any surefire method that will not only please the artists / performers and keep the viewers / fans / people in attendance happy.
  - DrScump 9y ago
    "...having to wait in a line to submit or retrieve your phone, be sequestered to a penned in area to use your phone, and then to have to wait in line again to put your phone back into that "prison" system again..." The vast majority of the time consumed in that process is simply getting out from where you sit/stand and back, which is the same in the "unjailed" phone scenario. Unless, of course, you were just going to go ahead and conduct that call right there in the venue anyway.
    - scoggs 9y ago
      I'm thinking about how annoying this would be at any sort of venue or music event. Someone said prior the main reason they'd use their phone in that situation is to group up with others they came with or met there if they get split up. I can empathize with that 150% and feel that, as someone who will never do more than snap a quick photo of a musical act for nostalgic purposes, the system in place to leave your phone locked up like coat check is mostly just annoying. It all reminds me of DRM causing problems for legitimate, paying customers when the DRM should only be targeting those who go outside of the rules. That's where someone else's comment about treating everyone like adults and kicking people out who break the rules seems like the best bet, although they also admitted (and I agree) that this system just doesn't work as needed, either.
      - stuaxo 9y ago
        Phones aren't even that good in gigs for grouping up, vs just walking around. A lot of the time your mates aren't looking at the phone at the right time, or there are so many people that you don't get good reception. Looking up and just finding people works pretty well.
  - stuaxo 9y ago
    But, how many times will you have to call ? Surely not every time you go to the loo, if it's just the once it's hardly much inconvenience.
musage 9y ago
> They're your children -- you're going to want to call and check to see how things are going. If you think that's "obvious", then explain why. Because as you put it, it's just false, not everybody does that. Not every kid would stand for it, either. For one because the competence of a babysitter includes handling emergencies, making the practical use of randomly "checking in" (from some remote location) moot, but what's more, it's randomly checking in -- and not actually trusting the competence of the babysitter and having a cell phone with you so they can call you when there is a problem (you can actually help with). Don't dress up neediness as utility and wisdom, badly.
- 2bitencryption 9y ago
  > not everybody does that. Not every kid would stand for it, either. I see we're dealing with a tough kid here
  - musage 9y ago
    Anything you care to actually address? Lots a clicks, the only words are unintentionally ironic. How come? I mean, at least it's picture perfect, down to how you're not dealing with what I said, and comfort yourself about it. The less of you get that the more there is for me. Jealous because you didn't turn around sophistry on adults even as a little one? Not a very intelligent and lively childhood followed by an adulthood doomed to cowardice, is that it? No parents who treated you as a person so you never felt the need to conform to abusive adults? Or just didn't happen to have the mental strength to go along with that? But of course, I can't be personal in response to a personal attack, how dare I. My original comment was horribly wrong for reasons so foul they can't even be pointed out, but your ankle biting reply to it is just fine, heh.
    - hluska 9y ago
      Please stop with the overly dramatic, wordy writing - you've taken an extremely interesting conversation and turned it into a cesspool.
gsich 9y ago
You do by phoning home without reason.
whatyoucantsay 9y ago
> you're going to want to call and check to see how things are going Yes. If you suffer from high levels of anxiety and don't trust your own decisions about who to trust, this is true. Many people, particularly Americans, are this way. It is not true for every parent, however.
- salvar 9y ago
  Out of curiosity, do you have children?
  - corvallis 9y ago
    I’m not the above poster, but I did babysit for several families in my grad school years a few years ago. The parents would not generally communicate with me when they were out. If they did, it would be to let me know they’d be early or late, and suggestions for food or activity if they were late. There wasn’t a routine check to make sure their kids were alive & well.

blattimwind 9y ago

Uhm, yes you are, and pretty clearly at that.

scoggs 9y ago
No, not really. If someone goes out for drinks, then dinner, then a show and the night is going really well maybe the parents want to call and check in. They want to see how the nights going for the babysitter and kid. Are the kids asleep? Is the babysitter content to make some more money for a few extra hours? I think that's all entirely reasonable. It really has little to do with the matter at hand but having to wait in a line to submit or retrieve your phone, be sequestered to a penned in area to use your phone, and then to have to wait in line again to put your phone back into that "prison" system again seems like overkill. I know that's the only way we've been able to identify that works but I don't think there is any surefire method that will not only please the artists / performers and keep the viewers / fans / people in attendance happy.
- DrScump 9y ago
  "...having to wait in a line to submit or retrieve your phone, be sequestered to a penned in area to use your phone, and then to have to wait in line again to put your phone back into that "prison" system again..." The vast majority of the time consumed in that process is simply getting out from where you sit/stand and back, which is the same in the "unjailed" phone scenario. Unless, of course, you were just going to go ahead and conduct that call right there in the venue anyway.
  - scoggs 9y ago
    I'm thinking about how annoying this would be at any sort of venue or music event. Someone said prior the main reason they'd use their phone in that situation is to group up with others they came with or met there if they get split up. I can empathize with that 150% and feel that, as someone who will never do more than snap a quick photo of a musical act for nostalgic purposes, the system in place to leave your phone locked up like coat check is mostly just annoying. It all reminds me of DRM causing problems for legitimate, paying customers when the DRM should only be targeting those who go outside of the rules. That's where someone else's comment about treating everyone like adults and kicking people out who break the rules seems like the best bet, although they also admitted (and I agree) that this system just doesn't work as needed, either.
    - stuaxo 9y ago
      Phones aren't even that good in gigs for grouping up, vs just walking around. A lot of the time your mates aren't looking at the phone at the right time, or there are so many people that you don't get good reception. Looking up and just finding people works pretty well.
- stuaxo 9y ago
  But, how many times will you have to call ? Surely not every time you go to the loo, if it's just the once it's hardly much inconvenience.

musage 9y ago

> They're your children -- you're going to want to call and check to see how things are going. If you think that's "obvious", then explain why. Because as you put it, it's just false, not everybody does that. Not every kid would stand for it, either. For one because the competence of a babysitter includes handling emergencies, making the practical use of randomly "checking in" (from some remote location) moot, but what's more, it's randomly checking in -- and not actually trusting the competence of the babysitter and having a cell phone with you so they can call you when there is a problem (you can actually help with). Don't dress up neediness as utility and wisdom, badly.

2bitencryption 9y ago
> not everybody does that. Not every kid would stand for it, either. I see we're dealing with a tough kid here
- musage 9y ago
  Anything you care to actually address? Lots a clicks, the only words are unintentionally ironic. How come? I mean, at least it's picture perfect, down to how you're not dealing with what I said, and comfort yourself about it. The less of you get that the more there is for me. Jealous because you didn't turn around sophistry on adults even as a little one? Not a very intelligent and lively childhood followed by an adulthood doomed to cowardice, is that it? No parents who treated you as a person so you never felt the need to conform to abusive adults? Or just didn't happen to have the mental strength to go along with that? But of course, I can't be personal in response to a personal attack, how dare I. My original comment was horribly wrong for reasons so foul they can't even be pointed out, but your ankle biting reply to it is just fine, heh.
  - hluska 9y ago
    Please stop with the overly dramatic, wordy writing - you've taken an extremely interesting conversation and turned it into a cesspool.

gsich 9y ago

You do by phoning home without reason.

whatyoucantsay 9y ago

> you're going to want to call and check to see how things are going Yes. If you suffer from high levels of anxiety and don't trust your own decisions about who to trust, this is true. Many people, particularly Americans, are this way. It is not true for every parent, however.

salvar 9y ago
Out of curiosity, do you have children?
- corvallis 9y ago
  I’m not the above poster, but I did babysit for several families in my grad school years a few years ago. The parents would not generally communicate with me when they were out. If they did, it would be to let me know they’d be early or late, and suggestions for food or activity if they were late. There wasn’t a routine check to make sure their kids were alive & well.