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I disagree. I think Microsoft and RIM should team up. Microsoft is supplying Windows 7 to vendors that just don't give a crap about what software is on their ph

I disagree. I think Microsoft and RIM should team up. Microsoft is supplying Windows 7 to vendors that just don't give a crap about what software is on their phone as long as it's got all the checkbox features (i.e. they offer both Android and Windows 7 devices but won't focus on one over the other). So stop supplying Windows 7 to these vendors and make RIM the exclusive vendor for Windows 7 devices. Microsoft has a pretty great mobile OS in Windows 7 (this coming from an iPhone lover) and RIM has great hardware and a fan base. These two companies need each other.

barrkel 16y ago
I wasn't aware Windows Phone 7 was released. I don't know about you, but I can't really tell what a product is like until I've at least read independent reviews, or preferably used it directly.
- 9oliYQjP 16y ago
  That's usually true unless the product is from Microsoft. Unlike Apple, Microsoft is pretty up-front about what their product will be like before it's actually released. Also, it's not like Microsoft will be starting from scratch. They've got a good kernel and solid foundation to build from. They've got great developer tools. Yes, the user experience is a HUGE blank that needs to be filled in. But do I think Windows Phone 7 will suck like Windows Mobile? I'm a betting man and I say it won't suck, it will actually be decent and won't feel like Android's "I'm running KDE" crappy feel/user experience.
paul9290 16y ago
I totally agree. Another good pairing I have thought is HP(webOS to me needs better branding then either HP or Palm) and Nintendo. Exclusive access to Nintendo games and Nintendo allows devs to create/submit apps using some of their IP (Luigi but not Mario for example) Id buy a Nintendo like iPhone.
- SoftwareMaven 16y ago
  My kids would choose a DSPhone over an iPhone any day, and they are valid consumers since 3 out of 4 of them have phones.
WiseWeasel 16y ago
Nice try, iPhone-lover! You just want to get RIM out of the picture for good, probably so your beloved platform can have the enterprise market all to itself or something... And what better way than with RIM switching their "fan base" over to WinMo. /~ Seriously, I don't know where to begin dissecting your assertion that "Microsoft has a pretty great mobile OS in Windows 7". To start, it would be prudent to point out that Windows Phone 7 is not even out yet, so who knows how great it will turn out to be. The screen captures so far seem a little bit low on usability to this smartphone user, but it's obviously a bit early to be making such a judgment. At this point, we don't really know whether MS has an ace or a turd up their sleeve.
- ergo98 16y ago
  "Nice try, iPhone-lover!" Seriously, though, what's the deal with iPhone fans giving a shout-out to Windows Mobile 7 constantly? It's a little transparent.
  - nanairo 16y ago
    I can't speak for the original poster... but to me WP7 seems actually quite nice despite me liking the iPhone too. I like that MS tried for once to think outside the box: maybe it will be good, maybe it will be crap. Ironically everything I hated about MS (trying too cover all the basis, doing me-too products) seems to be the way Google is going. But that doesn't mean I want Android to do badly. I just think the mobile market is still young and there's a lot of innovation. I like a good competition, and I appreciate when a company, ANY company, tries to do a serious product. I could not care less that it's MS, Nokia, or Palm.
  - WiseWeasel 16y ago
    My guess is they miss the old rivalry, back when things were simple, good vs. bad, white & black. The tech industry today is too morally ambiguous, with Apple sometimes playing the part of evil villain against Google, Adobe and others, something they're not comfortable with.
  - jsz0 16y ago
    Probably because Microsoft is following Apple's lead in many ways with a clean elegant UI and a managed App Store. Android on the other hand seems to be adding complexity, UI has never been good, and the Market is descending into an even deeper level of chaos (apps stealing private data, fake banking apps, etc) So if you like the iPhone there's a good chance WM7 would appeal to you. If you like Android there's a good chance neither iPhone or WM7 would appeal to you. I don't plan to buy a WM7 device myself but I think it will be successful because so many people just don't want to deal with all this added complexity of an Android device. Going back to the original article I think simplicity is a big reason RIM is still doing fine. Lots of people just want a phone that can also do e-mail. I believe long term Android's complexity (UI, different models, different limitations per model, etc) is going to be a big problem for Google.
manvsmachine 16y ago
That actually makes a lot of sense. At the end of the day, RIM and MS have always shared the same target demographic for the most part - they are the de facto handset / OS of the enterprise. The iPhone has slowly been working its way into the enterprise sector, but they could easily lock down that entire segment by focusing on security + encryption and heavily integrating with Visual Studio / .NET. It would also allow Microsoft to benefit from having pseudo-vertical integration, as their best products seem to be the ones where they are developing for a single hardware platform (eg, Xbox, later Zune models, etc).
patrickaljord 16y ago
> Microsoft has a pretty great mobile OS in Windows 7 (this coming from an iPhone lover) You might want to reconsider that knowing that the web browser is the most used app on both the iPhone and Android: Internet Explorer Mobile browser will be a mixture of Internet Explorer 7 and Internet Explorer 8 desktop versions Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_Mobile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_Mobile
rbanffy 16y ago
Great idea! What RIM needs is a Blackberry Kin for the social-connected workforce of the future!

barrkel 16y ago

I wasn't aware Windows Phone 7 was released. I don't know about you, but I can't really tell what a product is like until I've at least read independent reviews, or preferably used it directly.

9oliYQjP 16y ago
That's usually true unless the product is from Microsoft. Unlike Apple, Microsoft is pretty up-front about what their product will be like before it's actually released. Also, it's not like Microsoft will be starting from scratch. They've got a good kernel and solid foundation to build from. They've got great developer tools. Yes, the user experience is a HUGE blank that needs to be filled in. But do I think Windows Phone 7 will suck like Windows Mobile? I'm a betting man and I say it won't suck, it will actually be decent and won't feel like Android's "I'm running KDE" crappy feel/user experience.

paul9290 16y ago

I totally agree. Another good pairing I have thought is HP(webOS to me needs better branding then either HP or Palm) and Nintendo. Exclusive access to Nintendo games and Nintendo allows devs to create/submit apps using some of their IP (Luigi but not Mario for example) Id buy a Nintendo like iPhone.

SoftwareMaven 16y ago
My kids would choose a DSPhone over an iPhone any day, and they are valid consumers since 3 out of 4 of them have phones.

WiseWeasel 16y ago

Nice try, iPhone-lover! You just want to get RIM out of the picture for good, probably so your beloved platform can have the enterprise market all to itself or something... And what better way than with RIM switching their "fan base" over to WinMo. /~ Seriously, I don't know where to begin dissecting your assertion that "Microsoft has a pretty great mobile OS in Windows 7". To start, it would be prudent to point out that Windows Phone 7 is not even out yet, so who knows how great it will turn out to be. The screen captures so far seem a little bit low on usability to this smartphone user, but it's obviously a bit early to be making such a judgment. At this point, we don't really know whether MS has an ace or a turd up their sleeve.

ergo98 16y ago
"Nice try, iPhone-lover!" Seriously, though, what's the deal with iPhone fans giving a shout-out to Windows Mobile 7 constantly? It's a little transparent.
- nanairo 16y ago
  I can't speak for the original poster... but to me WP7 seems actually quite nice despite me liking the iPhone too. I like that MS tried for once to think outside the box: maybe it will be good, maybe it will be crap. Ironically everything I hated about MS (trying too cover all the basis, doing me-too products) seems to be the way Google is going. But that doesn't mean I want Android to do badly. I just think the mobile market is still young and there's a lot of innovation. I like a good competition, and I appreciate when a company, ANY company, tries to do a serious product. I could not care less that it's MS, Nokia, or Palm.
- WiseWeasel 16y ago
  My guess is they miss the old rivalry, back when things were simple, good vs. bad, white & black. The tech industry today is too morally ambiguous, with Apple sometimes playing the part of evil villain against Google, Adobe and others, something they're not comfortable with.
- jsz0 16y ago
  Probably because Microsoft is following Apple's lead in many ways with a clean elegant UI and a managed App Store. Android on the other hand seems to be adding complexity, UI has never been good, and the Market is descending into an even deeper level of chaos (apps stealing private data, fake banking apps, etc) So if you like the iPhone there's a good chance WM7 would appeal to you. If you like Android there's a good chance neither iPhone or WM7 would appeal to you. I don't plan to buy a WM7 device myself but I think it will be successful because so many people just don't want to deal with all this added complexity of an Android device. Going back to the original article I think simplicity is a big reason RIM is still doing fine. Lots of people just want a phone that can also do e-mail. I believe long term Android's complexity (UI, different models, different limitations per model, etc) is going to be a big problem for Google.

manvsmachine 16y ago

That actually makes a lot of sense. At the end of the day, RIM and MS have always shared the same target demographic for the most part - they are the de facto handset / OS of the enterprise. The iPhone has slowly been working its way into the enterprise sector, but they could easily lock down that entire segment by focusing on security + encryption and heavily integrating with Visual Studio / .NET. It would also allow Microsoft to benefit from having pseudo-vertical integration, as their best products seem to be the ones where they are developing for a single hardware platform (eg, Xbox, later Zune models, etc).

patrickaljord 16y ago

> Microsoft has a pretty great mobile OS in Windows 7 (this coming from an iPhone lover) You might want to reconsider that knowing that the web browser is the most used app on both the iPhone and Android: Internet Explorer Mobile browser will be a mixture of Internet Explorer 7 and Internet Explorer 8 desktop versions Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_Mobile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_Mobile

rbanffy 16y ago

Great idea! What RIM needs is a Blackberry Kin for the social-connected workforce of the future!