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I didn’t say that I must check my phone every time I go to the toilet. Only that being able to check my phone (for example, to check if I have any messages from
by davb 9y ago
I didn’t say that I must check my phone every time I go to the toilet. Only that being able to check my phone (for example, to check if I have any messages from people I care for at home) is a useful thing.
And I never said that I was worried about terrorism. Only that having ready access to my phone in any emergency situation (again, I pointed out it would be more likely a fire alarm than a terrorists) is helpful.
I don’t think concert venues do anything to enforce any sort of phone etiquette. I dislike that they’ve went for such an inconvenient option when there are softer, policy based alternatives in between doing nothing and locking up phones. Cinemas manage to enforce phone etiquette with much fewer staff per guest. Of course it’s common to see someone light up their row by checking their phone, but if it’s persistent (like the drunken heckler), cinema staff would eject them.
- foolfoolz 9y agoi think the whole point is not being able to check your phone adds to the human experience
- kakarot 9y agoWhat is the "human experience"?
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- Jach 9y agoFor some people going an hour without checking their phone is like going into the hyperbolic time chamber for 10 seconds.
- __s 9y agoIn this context, the collective experience of the concert, engaging with it as your immediate world, cutting off the outside as would a cult, this is the cult of music, let it consume you as you consume it
- CUViper 9y agoPart of my human experience may include checking how the babysitter is doing with the kids. I'm not going to do that in a way that disrupts the show, but I still want that access.
- ManuelKiessling 9y agoHow did people do that before there were cell phones?
- davb 9y agoMy folks used the payphones at most venues to call our landline and speak to the babysitter.
- whatyoucantsay 9y agoIt's interesting they didn't have confidence in the babysitter's ability to take care of you for an evening but still chose to hire them and then monitored them via payphone. Most times when babysitters are hired, now or a generation ago, they're trusted to make reasonable decisions so the parents don't have to worry.
- ccallebs 9y ago> It's interesting they didn't have confidence in the babysitter's ability to take care of you for an evening but still chose to hire them and then monitored them via payphone. No one questioned the babysitter's competence. They're your children -- you're going to want to call and check to see how things are going.
- blattimwind 9y agoUhm, yes you are, and pretty clearly at that.
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- lobf 9y agoBeing available for work is part of my "human experience." edit- I really don't understand why this is downvote worthy...
- nicky0 9y agoBecause it is pathetic. You're available for work while at a Chris Rock show?
- lobf 9y ago...pathetic, thanks. I work freelance film production. I get calls for work at random hours and if I don't respond quickly that offer can expire. I also work on high-pressure, quick turnaround jobs a lot, and part of the deal as a freelancer is that I'm always available. As a result, I keep my phone with me. I'm sorry that my earning a living is pathetic to you.
- nicky0 9y agoApology accepted.
- Spivak 9y agoYou've never worked a job where you might be called in during an emergency? We're in a forum full of sysadmins and devops people and this idea is foreign?
- gsich 9y agoSysadmins and devops people usually have a standby rotation.
- dang 9y agoName-calling isn't allowed in comments here. Could you please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and not do this again?
- loeg 9y agoChecking phones is part of the human experience.
- to_bpr 9y agoCompulsive, addiction driven behaviour due to the gamification of apps and basic services? I say let's remove that from our experience.
- loeg 9y agoYou're free to make your own choices, but not to inflect them on others.
- to_bpr 9y agoThe perfect argument against allowing people access to their phones at performances.
- trgv 9y agoOf course it's not quite that simple. People using phones at a concert affects everyone's experience. This is a godsend for some of us. It absolutely detracts from my experience in theaters, concerts, shows, etc when everyone has a phone out. My feeling is that this is a valid choice for artists to make, and if you disagree then avoid shows where this is the policy.
- masonic 9y agoThis is exactly why performers seek to stop video recording in the first place. Or part of why. There are several motivators: 1) use of the recording that could cost paying attendance in the future (e.g. copyright issues) 2) damage control of statements that they regret later (e.g. Michael Richards' racist rant) 3) Protection of the interests of all the attendees positioned behind and around you. When anybody is recording, view from directly behind is outright obscured, and the experience of everybody behind you, where you are in their field of view at all, is impaired by this lit-up screen facing them. People who are recording are inflicting their choice on all others behind them.
- kbenson 9y agoI think the counterpoint is that for some people, the more human experience is not a selling point, and actually a fairly large negative. Beyond the points laid out before, I have multiple children and multiple pets, and I'm the some person responsible for the technology stack at my small company which (means I'm on call for somewhat infrequent but not unheard of issues). Not being allowed my phone might just mean "eh, it's irresponsible of me to go" depending on the situation, and that's with my phone safely ensconced in my pocket except for an emergency. Also, let's not let this "human" experience stuff slide, what it really means is "a late 1990's to early 2000's experience". It's not like pyrotechnics, large screens and giant electronic speakers are anything you would experience prior to 100 years ago. If you don't want people doing certain things with their phones, then make it clear what is and isn't acceptable and combat it directly. For example, give everyone a wristband, and explain exactly what it's for. It's your one warning/get out of etiquette jail free card. If they have to come and tell you to stop doing something you were already warned about, they take the wristband. If they have to tell you again, you're out.
- ThomPete 9y agoThen perhaps that show isn't for them.
- gkya 9y agoThe most annoying thing with phones is that they distract other people. You might be kind enough to not use your phone during a collective event, but other people are not. Frankly I don't care about it in a concert as you go there for the music most of the time, but I've seen people have use phones in every single movie I saw at a cinema and at every single theatre play I've been to, even in post-modern shows in tiny venues with much less than 50 seats. There are lots of idiots that can't look at something interesting without capturing it in photo and video, distracting everybody including the performers, who may indeed not want the performance recorded. A comment higher up says treat people like adults. Adults are not adult adults. They are more like monkeys that compulsively do things and then maybe, only maybe think if what they did was appropriate or not.
- culot 9y agoYou cannot expect hardened smartphone addicts to follow directives that crossgrain their addiction. The only reason harsh policies like this are being enacted is because wrist-slaps and pleas do not work. It basically boils down to: if you want to go to the concert, you set aside the smartphone for a while. If not, don't go. > what it really means is "a late 1990's to early 2000's experience" Calling it a 'human experience' seems rather apt. When you're plugged into your smartphone frequently, you're not plugged into now; when you're playing on your computer instead of experiencing your immediate surroundings, it'd be more apt that to say that you're not partaking in the human experience, but an internet experience. 'Human experience' is apt, just like 'internet experience' would be apt for those that choose computer interaction.